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<blockquote data-quote="Infiniti2000" data-source="post: 3282730" data-attributes="member: 31734"><p>Causing suffocation is an "other lethal attack" because it doesn't kill you directly, in the same line of thinking as "save or die" or "get hit by this ray and die" or "listen to this word and if you have crappy hit points you die". That would instead be, "save or suffocate for three rounds and then die (from the suffocation but not this effect)". That's not very direct, is it? Thus, not a "magical death effect." In other words, not having the requirement to breath (suddenly, within the 3 rounds but after the suffocation attack) would alleviate the condition. There's no such happenstance in a "magical death attack", because you die immediately (or not).</p><p></p><p> Absolutely. It's a timing thing, not a flavor thing. You're drumming up ways to kill you that do not simply say "You die." It's "you lose hit points, then die", "you can't breathe, then die", "you lose Con, then die", ...</p><p></p><p> I'm pretty sure I've answered that, but note I'm not saying that you cannot be raised from phantasmal killer. A "magical death effect" (the wording in death ward) does not necessarily mean "death attack" (the special ability).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Infiniti2000, post: 3282730, member: 31734"] Causing suffocation is an "other lethal attack" because it doesn't kill you directly, in the same line of thinking as "save or die" or "get hit by this ray and die" or "listen to this word and if you have crappy hit points you die". That would instead be, "save or suffocate for three rounds and then die (from the suffocation but not this effect)". That's not very direct, is it? Thus, not a "magical death effect." In other words, not having the requirement to breath (suddenly, within the 3 rounds but after the suffocation attack) would alleviate the condition. There's no such happenstance in a "magical death attack", because you die immediately (or not). Absolutely. It's a timing thing, not a flavor thing. You're drumming up ways to kill you that do not simply say "You die." It's "you lose hit points, then die", "you can't breathe, then die", "you lose Con, then die", ... I'm pretty sure I've answered that, but note I'm not saying that you cannot be raised from phantasmal killer. A "magical death effect" (the wording in death ward) does not necessarily mean "death attack" (the special ability). [/QUOTE]
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