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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8937730" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Sure but all data produced by humans (and indeed AI) will be biased by agendas conscious and unconscious, and thinking "of the time". And time will move on but AIs may well have difficulty doing so.</p><p></p><p>You can't eliminate "racist" data, because there's no complete definition of racism, and the definition of racism is necessarily a moving target. The same for almost any "bias". Instead what we're seeing already is just the AI being "shackled" from approaching certain subjects (and in all three cases - Bing, Google and ChatGPT, you can trick it into getting around the shackles).</p><p></p><p>And things that were once true and much repeated become untrue. A good example might be lifecycle emissions associated with electric cars. 15+ years ago, it was fair to say that the lifecycle co2 and other emissions associated with an electric car was comparable with that of efficient petrol car (even of the period), and this once-true fact is still repeatedly endless to this day by people who don't like electric cars. But it hasn't been true for a long time (5-10 years). Yet people repeat it endlessly, and they can point to studies from the '00s which support that. There are obviously more modern studies which conclusively debunk that, but they're not quoted or discussed anywhere near as much, and there's a largely unspoken and perhaps grudging acceptance in society that electric cars are "probably better", which isn't going to show up to an AI, because it's more about what's not there than what is.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, point is, data can be good at one point and completely wrong a few years later. An AI trained on data now in 2023, is going to have some problems/biases the same AI trained on data from 2038 won't have, but will no doubt have biases of its own.</p><p></p><p>Humans are pretty good at discerning this sort of thing (within reason, if they're honestly trying), but it's going to be a very long time before AIs are, and until then, bias will run rampant. Which is why I think it's particularly a dumb idea to use them as search engines, because they're very good at coming out with absolutely wrong answers they're dead confident about, and won't double-check.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8937730, member: 18"] Sure but all data produced by humans (and indeed AI) will be biased by agendas conscious and unconscious, and thinking "of the time". And time will move on but AIs may well have difficulty doing so. You can't eliminate "racist" data, because there's no complete definition of racism, and the definition of racism is necessarily a moving target. The same for almost any "bias". Instead what we're seeing already is just the AI being "shackled" from approaching certain subjects (and in all three cases - Bing, Google and ChatGPT, you can trick it into getting around the shackles). And things that were once true and much repeated become untrue. A good example might be lifecycle emissions associated with electric cars. 15+ years ago, it was fair to say that the lifecycle co2 and other emissions associated with an electric car was comparable with that of efficient petrol car (even of the period), and this once-true fact is still repeatedly endless to this day by people who don't like electric cars. But it hasn't been true for a long time (5-10 years). Yet people repeat it endlessly, and they can point to studies from the '00s which support that. There are obviously more modern studies which conclusively debunk that, but they're not quoted or discussed anywhere near as much, and there's a largely unspoken and perhaps grudging acceptance in society that electric cars are "probably better", which isn't going to show up to an AI, because it's more about what's not there than what is. Anyway, point is, data can be good at one point and completely wrong a few years later. An AI trained on data now in 2023, is going to have some problems/biases the same AI trained on data from 2038 won't have, but will no doubt have biases of its own. Humans are pretty good at discerning this sort of thing (within reason, if they're honestly trying), but it's going to be a very long time before AIs are, and until then, bias will run rampant. Which is why I think it's particularly a dumb idea to use them as search engines, because they're very good at coming out with absolutely wrong answers they're dead confident about, and won't double-check. [/QUOTE]
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