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<blockquote data-quote="TheSword" data-source="post: 8067787" data-attributes="member: 6879661"><p>I have no problem with the police force of Absalom being lazy, corrupt, and utterly incompetent. After all the plot of Terry Pratchett’s excellent Ankh Morpork Watch series is based on a young optimistic guardsman turning the force into something to be proud of. If the PCs are a positive force for good then does it matter if one NPC is a womanizer, ones lazy and one is downright evil. How the players react to these things is what matters.</p><p></p><p>Before lockdown we played the starter box from WFRP 4e by Cubicle 7, to learn the new rule set. I won’t spoil the story but one watch NPC that the PCs work with is everything horrible about a greedy, venal, cowardly, conniving cop who’s crawled his way to the top of the s%*t heap and will make sure everyone else is getting dirty too. He was an absolute blast to roleplay and the PCs were very creative in solving the various problems he created while maintaining their integrity. That said it was a short segment and total railroad to introduce the rules and I definitely wouldn’t want a six book AP like it <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="😅" title="Grinning face with sweat :sweat_smile:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f605.png" data-shortname=":sweat_smile:" /> </p><p></p><p>All that said, in Discworld, or WFRP there is an accepted gallows humour, clear sense of satire and opportunity to defy convention that I’m not sure exists in Paizo. I’d need to read the AP myself before I condemn it but it does seem like the reliance on mortal combat, wealth acquisition and a more straightforward approach makes Pathfinder very different to WFRP and perhaps that makes this harder to pull off.</p><p></p><p>I have no problem with gay bad guys, or indeed closeted ones. In fact it would be fairly weird if gay guys couldn’t be antagonists. There are also many reasons to not to be honest about yourself, that’s not insulting. (Incidentally who was the closeted NPC in Sandpoint?) Though I must admit if these are the only NPCs it seems like an odd set of choices. I think they would have been better leaning into the traditional stereotypes a bit more rather than inventing new ones. If the aim is to improve the Absalom Watch why would you have it currently staffed by the people that are least served by the police IRL.</p><p></p><p>I’ll be honest the AP as presented makes me raise an eyebrow and I do wonder what possessed them to make this editorial decision at this time. I really do hope Paizo can pull it off. As a lifelong lover of APs I was left very lukewarm by the first two for PF2. I hope the apple doesn’t fall too far from the RotR/Kingmaker/CotCT tree.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheSword, post: 8067787, member: 6879661"] I have no problem with the police force of Absalom being lazy, corrupt, and utterly incompetent. After all the plot of Terry Pratchett’s excellent Ankh Morpork Watch series is based on a young optimistic guardsman turning the force into something to be proud of. If the PCs are a positive force for good then does it matter if one NPC is a womanizer, ones lazy and one is downright evil. How the players react to these things is what matters. Before lockdown we played the starter box from WFRP 4e by Cubicle 7, to learn the new rule set. I won’t spoil the story but one watch NPC that the PCs work with is everything horrible about a greedy, venal, cowardly, conniving cop who’s crawled his way to the top of the s%*t heap and will make sure everyone else is getting dirty too. He was an absolute blast to roleplay and the PCs were very creative in solving the various problems he created while maintaining their integrity. That said it was a short segment and total railroad to introduce the rules and I definitely wouldn’t want a six book AP like it 😅 All that said, in Discworld, or WFRP there is an accepted gallows humour, clear sense of satire and opportunity to defy convention that I’m not sure exists in Paizo. I’d need to read the AP myself before I condemn it but it does seem like the reliance on mortal combat, wealth acquisition and a more straightforward approach makes Pathfinder very different to WFRP and perhaps that makes this harder to pull off. I have no problem with gay bad guys, or indeed closeted ones. In fact it would be fairly weird if gay guys couldn’t be antagonists. There are also many reasons to not to be honest about yourself, that’s not insulting. (Incidentally who was the closeted NPC in Sandpoint?) Though I must admit if these are the only NPCs it seems like an odd set of choices. I think they would have been better leaning into the traditional stereotypes a bit more rather than inventing new ones. If the aim is to improve the Absalom Watch why would you have it currently staffed by the people that are least served by the police IRL. I’ll be honest the AP as presented makes me raise an eyebrow and I do wonder what possessed them to make this editorial decision at this time. I really do hope Paizo can pull it off. As a lifelong lover of APs I was left very lukewarm by the first two for PF2. I hope the apple doesn’t fall too far from the RotR/Kingmaker/CotCT tree. [/QUOTE]
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