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<blockquote data-quote="pukunui" data-source="post: 4545194" data-attributes="member: 54629"><p>I fail to see how 4e's power system gives players more control of the narrative. Frankly, I see it as being quite the opposite.</p><p></p><p>If I have an ability that can be used as many times as I want, then I can choose to use it as many or as few times as I want ... but if I have an ability that I can only use once an encounter or once a day, while I can still choose <em>when</em> to use it, I am being told that I cannot choose to use it more than once an encounter or once a day ... I don't find that empowering at all. I find that extremely limiting.</p><p></p><p>If the narrative calls for my character to go tumbling across the stage and then tumbling back again, I can do that in 3e and in SWSE, but apparently I can only do that in 4e if I'm a rogue and then I can only do it once during the encounter on the stage. How am I empowered in this situation? How am I adding to the DM's sandbox by choosing to use my tumble to cross the stage in one direction and then having to walk back to my starting point because I apparently can't tumble again, even if it would be appropriate to the narrative to be able to do so?</p><p></p><p>What makes it even worse is the idea that if I miss - at least with encounter powers - I not only fail to perform the action I wanted to perform but I cannot immediately attempt to try it again ... which is not at all realistic, especially not with things like tumbling.</p><p></p><p>Yes, in previous editions the DM could put limits on my otherwise limitless abilities but s/he can still do the same thing in 4e by setting things up so I can't use my powers in a given situation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pukunui, post: 4545194, member: 54629"] I fail to see how 4e's power system gives players more control of the narrative. Frankly, I see it as being quite the opposite. If I have an ability that can be used as many times as I want, then I can choose to use it as many or as few times as I want ... but if I have an ability that I can only use once an encounter or once a day, while I can still choose [I]when[/I] to use it, I am being told that I cannot choose to use it more than once an encounter or once a day ... I don't find that empowering at all. I find that extremely limiting. If the narrative calls for my character to go tumbling across the stage and then tumbling back again, I can do that in 3e and in SWSE, but apparently I can only do that in 4e if I'm a rogue and then I can only do it once during the encounter on the stage. How am I empowered in this situation? How am I adding to the DM's sandbox by choosing to use my tumble to cross the stage in one direction and then having to walk back to my starting point because I apparently can't tumble again, even if it would be appropriate to the narrative to be able to do so? What makes it even worse is the idea that if I miss - at least with encounter powers - I not only fail to perform the action I wanted to perform but I cannot immediately attempt to try it again ... which is not at all realistic, especially not with things like tumbling. Yes, in previous editions the DM could put limits on my otherwise limitless abilities but s/he can still do the same thing in 4e by setting things up so I can't use my powers in a given situation. [/QUOTE]
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