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<blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 2911217" data-attributes="member: 326"><p>Hey all! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The Cogent was certainly inspired by the Draeden (my all time favourite monster of OD&D*). I was a bit annoyed at WotC for not including it in the Epic Level Handbook. Although what started out as an homage went through a lot of changes (not least the size of it, which I'll comment on more below) with shape and its powers, primarily because the original had none, to be fair. So I added stuff like 'Birthquake' (where severed tentacles become a new monster called Akishra/Astral Worm), 'Divine Electricity' (its psynapses carry a heavy electrical charge), 'Mind Boggling' (where it can bend reality to use all its tentacles on one opponent) among many others. Its Damage Reduction is 50/epic and mindless (sentient beings and weapons are less effective against beings from the Dimension of Thought), and so on.</p><p></p><p>Also I proffered the idea that they were the disembodied brains of Elder Gods who had become trapped in the Far Place and were now under the thrall of that dimension.</p><p></p><p>*...and an advanced Draeden did bite the dust when my character led out the Norse Pantheon to fight it, although only 2 deities made it back in one piece. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This was the problem I initially faced. However, I chose to reflect its power rather than size. The original was roughly in and around the power of Intermediate Deities/Greater Deities, so I sort of made it akin to a relatively weak Greater Deity.</p><p></p><p>I think if you were to give it 55,000 Hit Dice then you are probably looking at a bare minimum of CR 20,000. Which means you are only going to be able to use it against Ridiculous(TM)-level PCs. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Apsu from the Pantheons of the Megaverse book could be a Shadow-Draeden?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Upper_Krust, post: 2911217, member: 326"] Hey all! :) The Cogent was certainly inspired by the Draeden (my all time favourite monster of OD&D*). I was a bit annoyed at WotC for not including it in the Epic Level Handbook. Although what started out as an homage went through a lot of changes (not least the size of it, which I'll comment on more below) with shape and its powers, primarily because the original had none, to be fair. So I added stuff like 'Birthquake' (where severed tentacles become a new monster called Akishra/Astral Worm), 'Divine Electricity' (its psynapses carry a heavy electrical charge), 'Mind Boggling' (where it can bend reality to use all its tentacles on one opponent) among many others. Its Damage Reduction is 50/epic and mindless (sentient beings and weapons are less effective against beings from the Dimension of Thought), and so on. Also I proffered the idea that they were the disembodied brains of Elder Gods who had become trapped in the Far Place and were now under the thrall of that dimension. *...and an advanced Draeden did bite the dust when my character led out the Norse Pantheon to fight it, although only 2 deities made it back in one piece. :p This was the problem I initially faced. However, I chose to reflect its power rather than size. The original was roughly in and around the power of Intermediate Deities/Greater Deities, so I sort of made it akin to a relatively weak Greater Deity. I think if you were to give it 55,000 Hit Dice then you are probably looking at a bare minimum of CR 20,000. Which means you are only going to be able to use it against Ridiculous(TM)-level PCs. Apsu from the Pantheons of the Megaverse book could be a Shadow-Draeden? [/QUOTE]
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