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<blockquote data-quote="paradox42" data-source="post: 2911695" data-attributes="member: 29746"><p>Ah, I wondered how long this thread would hide from U_K. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Fair choice. In my case, I had rules for expanded sizes before your Bestiary came out, and among the higher adjectives was "Cyclopean" which corresponds (after I made the changes to convert to your system) to between 25 and 49 miles in size. That's Macro-Titanic, to use the Bestiary definitions (note that the mileage I gave above doesn't precisely match yours, because I opted to refigure the table based feet and on powers of 2, and then round off to the nearest mile for each).</p><p></p><p>My reasoning was this: I was on a Cthulhu kick at the time I completed the first version of the table, and as a result I simply had to have a Cyclopean monster somewhere. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> When I thought about beasts that could possibly match such an enormous size, I made the connection to the original Draeden, and started thinking. My version is actually about twice the size of the original, but given the general changes 3E made over OD&D, I didn't feel that was inappropriate- nor was its power level going up by many orders of magnitude.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course- like I said, it's not something I really think I'll ever use, though it might be cool to stage a fight between one and en entire pantheon of deities and overgods someday. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>But I will note that this precise problem meant I left the statting project in limbo for a couple of years, and only recently picked it up again- my original main difficulties were figuring out its skills, feats, and CR. The IH Bestiary showed me the Omnicompetent ability (which neatly cuts out the skill problem); when Fieari statted up Lavos, I saw how the feat problem could be circumvented by using stackables like Armor Skin and Damage Reduction to just inflate abilities to ridiculous levels; and when Fieari called for help to estimate the CR for A'Tuin the Star Turtle, and I took up the challenge, I discovered that it actually is possible to arrive at reasonable values for uber-monsters.</p><p></p><p>So in the last month or two I started again, and this time am plowing forward. I haven't gone ahead with a CR estimate yet, because I'm currently thinking about what special abilities to give it exactly (besides its basic stats and spellcasting ability of course). It's an interesting conundrum, and one I likely will end up using the Dvine and Cosmic powers in IH Ascension for in the end.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, the wikipedia entry on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsu" target="_blank">Apsu</a> suggests that it might be more appropriate to call it a Water Draeden, but that's probably quibbling. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> Certainly, a Draeden vaguely resembles a beast that evolved in water, so postulating that an ancient, never-described (except by being a creature made of water) entity is in fact a Draeden probably isn't far off the mark.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="paradox42, post: 2911695, member: 29746"] Ah, I wondered how long this thread would hide from U_K. :) Fair choice. In my case, I had rules for expanded sizes before your Bestiary came out, and among the higher adjectives was "Cyclopean" which corresponds (after I made the changes to convert to your system) to between 25 and 49 miles in size. That's Macro-Titanic, to use the Bestiary definitions (note that the mileage I gave above doesn't precisely match yours, because I opted to refigure the table based feet and on powers of 2, and then round off to the nearest mile for each). My reasoning was this: I was on a Cthulhu kick at the time I completed the first version of the table, and as a result I simply had to have a Cyclopean monster somewhere. :lol: When I thought about beasts that could possibly match such an enormous size, I made the connection to the original Draeden, and started thinking. My version is actually about twice the size of the original, but given the general changes 3E made over OD&D, I didn't feel that was inappropriate- nor was its power level going up by many orders of magnitude. Of course- like I said, it's not something I really think I'll ever use, though it might be cool to stage a fight between one and en entire pantheon of deities and overgods someday. :) But I will note that this precise problem meant I left the statting project in limbo for a couple of years, and only recently picked it up again- my original main difficulties were figuring out its skills, feats, and CR. The IH Bestiary showed me the Omnicompetent ability (which neatly cuts out the skill problem); when Fieari statted up Lavos, I saw how the feat problem could be circumvented by using stackables like Armor Skin and Damage Reduction to just inflate abilities to ridiculous levels; and when Fieari called for help to estimate the CR for A'Tuin the Star Turtle, and I took up the challenge, I discovered that it actually is possible to arrive at reasonable values for uber-monsters. So in the last month or two I started again, and this time am plowing forward. I haven't gone ahead with a CR estimate yet, because I'm currently thinking about what special abilities to give it exactly (besides its basic stats and spellcasting ability of course). It's an interesting conundrum, and one I likely will end up using the Dvine and Cosmic powers in IH Ascension for in the end. Well, the wikipedia entry on [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsu]Apsu[/URL] suggests that it might be more appropriate to call it a Water Draeden, but that's probably quibbling. :) Certainly, a Draeden vaguely resembles a beast that evolved in water, so postulating that an ancient, never-described (except by being a creature made of water) entity is in fact a Draeden probably isn't far off the mark. [/QUOTE]
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