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<blockquote data-quote="MechaTarrasque" data-source="post: 7371932" data-attributes="member: 6801226"><p>It is a bit odd that they renamed elemental archons as elemental myrmidons in PotA but haven't made any celestial archons (except in a Planeshift article). If nothing else, they could have kept the elemental archons and pulled an eladrin (said there are LG celestial archons that basically elemental archons with a different type).</p><p></p><p>I think their goal for celestials is to keep as many utility monsters in this type as possible: in short, if you can heal the party, you aren't available for conjure fey, conjure elemental, summon demon, or infernal calling, but only for conjure celestial (and planar ally). This is why the unicorn went celestial (the Pegasus is probably because they watched Clash of the Titans). You give up a lot of combat CR to get this utility, so they don't have a lot of incentive to make a bunch of low level celestials that are more combat than utility, since it would be a comparatively bad deal to conjure them (although celestials tend to have attacks that count as magic for purposes of overcoming damage resistance/immunities, which is nice, although by the time you can conjure celestials or use planar ally, you probably don't need celestials to fight enemies with that type of resistance/immunity). </p><p></p><p>There isn't as much need to limit higher level utility types to celestials, but it seems like they went with that too. I suspect the solar and the titan...I mean empyrean keep their impressive damage dealing from force of habit and the need for the occasional living McGuffin to solve the problem. With bounded accuracy, PC's could actually help a solar thump a demon lord without having to be level 20 (although getting on the demon lord's list will bring its own problems).</p><p></p><p>I would certainly like some more celestials, whether updates of previous editions or new ones. But without some new summoning spells, a planes-hopping AP, or some kind of renewed interest in mass battles (lead the armies of Mt. Celestia against the demon hordes), I don't see it happening any time soon.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MechaTarrasque, post: 7371932, member: 6801226"] It is a bit odd that they renamed elemental archons as elemental myrmidons in PotA but haven't made any celestial archons (except in a Planeshift article). If nothing else, they could have kept the elemental archons and pulled an eladrin (said there are LG celestial archons that basically elemental archons with a different type). I think their goal for celestials is to keep as many utility monsters in this type as possible: in short, if you can heal the party, you aren't available for conjure fey, conjure elemental, summon demon, or infernal calling, but only for conjure celestial (and planar ally). This is why the unicorn went celestial (the Pegasus is probably because they watched Clash of the Titans). You give up a lot of combat CR to get this utility, so they don't have a lot of incentive to make a bunch of low level celestials that are more combat than utility, since it would be a comparatively bad deal to conjure them (although celestials tend to have attacks that count as magic for purposes of overcoming damage resistance/immunities, which is nice, although by the time you can conjure celestials or use planar ally, you probably don't need celestials to fight enemies with that type of resistance/immunity). There isn't as much need to limit higher level utility types to celestials, but it seems like they went with that too. I suspect the solar and the titan...I mean empyrean keep their impressive damage dealing from force of habit and the need for the occasional living McGuffin to solve the problem. With bounded accuracy, PC's could actually help a solar thump a demon lord without having to be level 20 (although getting on the demon lord's list will bring its own problems). I would certainly like some more celestials, whether updates of previous editions or new ones. But without some new summoning spells, a planes-hopping AP, or some kind of renewed interest in mass battles (lead the armies of Mt. Celestia against the demon hordes), I don't see it happening any time soon. [/QUOTE]
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