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<blockquote data-quote="Antithetist" data-source="post: 5131686" data-attributes="member: 88443"><p>I like the basic idea of conflating the Adversary with Promethean myth, and I like Covaithe's gloss on the idea of the Adversary very much.</p><p></p><p> That said, the thing that bothers me about the original post is that, in seeking to syncretise the different traditions, you have basically mashed everything up into a 'middle way' where, for my money, a lot of the source material loses its savour.</p><p></p><p> The way I would prefer to see it done is simply create one paradigm for a Prometheus figure (the grand rebel, punished for all eternity because of his audacious assertion of his own will over that of the gods), one paradigm for a sanctioned adversary (very much what Covaithe is talking about), and one paradigm for the more traditional Manichean lord of evil (as pretty much implied in the WotC source material).</p><p></p><p> All those perspectives apply to the same entity, and they have equal validity. This already seems to be the approach taken with the dominant pantheon, which is something I really like about the setting here. Leaving it unresolved (Schrödinger's Adversary <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />) seems to me like a more elegant solution than just announcing 'different people might see him in different ways - but really they're all wrong, he's like this'. </p><p></p><p> * * *</p><p></p><p> On Oni: am I missing something? They're statted in MM2. Or was it already decided that those mechanical write-ups don't match their demonic flavour in the context of L4W?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Antithetist, post: 5131686, member: 88443"] I like the basic idea of conflating the Adversary with Promethean myth, and I like Covaithe's gloss on the idea of the Adversary very much. That said, the thing that bothers me about the original post is that, in seeking to syncretise the different traditions, you have basically mashed everything up into a 'middle way' where, for my money, a lot of the source material loses its savour. The way I would prefer to see it done is simply create one paradigm for a Prometheus figure (the grand rebel, punished for all eternity because of his audacious assertion of his own will over that of the gods), one paradigm for a sanctioned adversary (very much what Covaithe is talking about), and one paradigm for the more traditional Manichean lord of evil (as pretty much implied in the WotC source material). All those perspectives apply to the same entity, and they have equal validity. This already seems to be the approach taken with the dominant pantheon, which is something I really like about the setting here. Leaving it unresolved (Schrödinger's Adversary ;)) seems to me like a more elegant solution than just announcing 'different people might see him in different ways - but really they're all wrong, he's like this'. * * * On Oni: am I missing something? They're statted in MM2. Or was it already decided that those mechanical write-ups don't match their demonic flavour in the context of L4W? [/QUOTE]
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