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<blockquote data-quote="Ziggy" data-source="post: 161937" data-attributes="member: 148"><p>I understand your point of view, but still disagree <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>If we look at what you can target, we have (as you said):</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>The sage is discussing the rules for 2), and has confirmed that attended objects (and spells on these objects) are affected when you target a creature. He has not in any way stated that this makes them impossible to target with a targeted dispel (to repeat myself). </p><p></p><p>3) is basically okay. It is unclear whether attending an object makes it impossible to target with a targeted dispel, but we'll pass that one for now. </p><p></p><p>1) is the big issue here. For "unattended" spells (note that this term is normally not used for spells, but we'll use it anyway), the rules are pretty clear (e.g. Stinking Cloud). You could argue about how much information you need about the spell, but I'll pass that one as well. </p><p></p><p>The issue here is whether spells on a creature (or spells on the objects of a creature) can be targeted. </p><p></p><p>Using a literal reading of the rules they <strong>can</strong> be targeted. There is absolutely no rules stating that they cannot, the rules just state <strong>spells</strong>. No qualifier, no nothing. Just <strong>Spells</strong>.</p><p></p><p>The Sage has <strong>not</strong> ruled on this situation (AFAIK). He has ruled on situation 2 (quoted above), but not on situation 1. And the ruling on situation 2 is not directly applicable for situation 1 (see my argumentation above).</p><p></p><p>Now, the suggested ruling by you (and Caliban) is not unreasonable, it has roots in the rules for attended objects. But my interpretation also has merit, it argues based on the actual spell description, and the Sage's ruling on area dispel. </p><p></p><p>We can of course continue the discussion, but the problem is that this situation has very few explicit rules and rulings. Thus it is mainly a question of intepretation and gut-feeling, at least until WoC clarify the situation. </p><p></p><p>That is why a suggested a Sage ruling on situation 1. Understand ?</p><p></p><p>.Ziggy</p><p></p><p>[Edited for clarity]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ziggy, post: 161937, member: 148"] I understand your point of view, but still disagree :) If we look at what you can target, we have (as you said): The sage is discussing the rules for 2), and has confirmed that attended objects (and spells on these objects) are affected when you target a creature. He has not in any way stated that this makes them impossible to target with a targeted dispel (to repeat myself). 3) is basically okay. It is unclear whether attending an object makes it impossible to target with a targeted dispel, but we'll pass that one for now. 1) is the big issue here. For "unattended" spells (note that this term is normally not used for spells, but we'll use it anyway), the rules are pretty clear (e.g. Stinking Cloud). You could argue about how much information you need about the spell, but I'll pass that one as well. The issue here is whether spells on a creature (or spells on the objects of a creature) can be targeted. Using a literal reading of the rules they [B]can[/B] be targeted. There is absolutely no rules stating that they cannot, the rules just state [B]spells[/B]. No qualifier, no nothing. Just [B]Spells[/B]. The Sage has [B]not[/B] ruled on this situation (AFAIK). He has ruled on situation 2 (quoted above), but not on situation 1. And the ruling on situation 2 is not directly applicable for situation 1 (see my argumentation above). Now, the suggested ruling by you (and Caliban) is not unreasonable, it has roots in the rules for attended objects. But my interpretation also has merit, it argues based on the actual spell description, and the Sage's ruling on area dispel. We can of course continue the discussion, but the problem is that this situation has very few explicit rules and rulings. Thus it is mainly a question of intepretation and gut-feeling, at least until WoC clarify the situation. That is why a suggested a Sage ruling on situation 1. Understand ? .Ziggy [Edited for clarity] [/QUOTE]
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