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<blockquote data-quote="Ziggy" data-source="post: 162253" data-attributes="member: 148"><p>Okay, I'll do this slowly so everybody understands it <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> </p><p></p><p>A) Dispel Magic can be used to dispel an ongoing spell with a targeted dispel. </p><p></p><p>B) The issue here is whether spells "attended" (i.e. cast on a person, or on a object attended by a person) can be the only target of a targeted Dispel Magic. </p><p></p><p>[BTW, By "immunity" in my previous post I meant immunity against being targeted as the only target of Dispel Magic, not a general immunity to Dispel Magic. This has been changed in the previous post]</p><p></p><p>C) This has <strong>not</strong> been discussed by the Sage, he only confirmed that attended objects (and their spells) are vulnerable to a targeted Dispel Magic on the creature holding them. He did not in any way discuss whether this limited their suitability as single targets of a targeted Dispel Magic. </p><p></p><p>Everyone still with me ? Okay, let's move on to the conclusion !</p><p></p><p>The possible rulings in this situation are:</p><p></p><p>1. "Attended" spells; i.e. spells cast on a person or on an object attended on a person cannot be singled out as the only target of a targeted Dispel Magic. This is not supported by the spell description, but is supported by similarities to the rules for attended objects. This ruling was proposed by Caliban and supported by kreynolds.</p><p></p><p>2. There is no difference between spells cast on a person, on an attended object, and on a general area. All can be the target of a targeted Dispel Magic, but the caster must have some knowledge of the spell. This is how the spell description is written. This ruling was proposed by Pielorinho and supported by me. </p><p></p><p>It's as simple as that. Both rulings are reasonable, and (IMHO) within the parameters of the rules as of now. I still think this is a prime example of a situation where the Sage should be consulted. </p><p></p><p>---------------------------</p><p></p><p>I'll round of with some answers to kreynolds:</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>This was sloppy wording from my side, has been clarified above. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>But what about other spells. Take e.g. an illusion. Do you need to notice it before dispelling it ? (I guess so) Do you have to disbelieve it before dispelling it ? (Probably not, but not really defined). Do you need to detect the area it covers ? (probably at least partly). There are lots of issues here as well, but these were not the topic of my post. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>See the initial post for why you would want to dispel just a single spell. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>No it's not. Read the post by Pielorinho again. You don't want to dispel all the buff spells on the fighter just to get rid of that Hold Person. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>But my point is that they are <strong>not</strong> three lemons. It's an orange, a lemon and a nectarine. And because the sage states that all lemons are yellow does not make all oranges yellow, even though they are both citrus fruits.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>If you got nothing better to say I suggest you keep your mouth shut. </p><p></p><p>.Ziggy</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ziggy, post: 162253, member: 148"] Okay, I'll do this slowly so everybody understands it :D A) Dispel Magic can be used to dispel an ongoing spell with a targeted dispel. B) The issue here is whether spells "attended" (i.e. cast on a person, or on a object attended by a person) can be the only target of a targeted Dispel Magic. [BTW, By "immunity" in my previous post I meant immunity against being targeted as the only target of Dispel Magic, not a general immunity to Dispel Magic. This has been changed in the previous post] C) This has [B]not[/B] been discussed by the Sage, he only confirmed that attended objects (and their spells) are vulnerable to a targeted Dispel Magic on the creature holding them. He did not in any way discuss whether this limited their suitability as single targets of a targeted Dispel Magic. Everyone still with me ? Okay, let's move on to the conclusion ! The possible rulings in this situation are: 1. "Attended" spells; i.e. spells cast on a person or on an object attended on a person cannot be singled out as the only target of a targeted Dispel Magic. This is not supported by the spell description, but is supported by similarities to the rules for attended objects. This ruling was proposed by Caliban and supported by kreynolds. 2. There is no difference between spells cast on a person, on an attended object, and on a general area. All can be the target of a targeted Dispel Magic, but the caster must have some knowledge of the spell. This is how the spell description is written. This ruling was proposed by Pielorinho and supported by me. It's as simple as that. Both rulings are reasonable, and (IMHO) within the parameters of the rules as of now. I still think this is a prime example of a situation where the Sage should be consulted. --------------------------- I'll round of with some answers to kreynolds: This was sloppy wording from my side, has been clarified above. But what about other spells. Take e.g. an illusion. Do you need to notice it before dispelling it ? (I guess so) Do you have to disbelieve it before dispelling it ? (Probably not, but not really defined). Do you need to detect the area it covers ? (probably at least partly). There are lots of issues here as well, but these were not the topic of my post. See the initial post for why you would want to dispel just a single spell. No it's not. Read the post by Pielorinho again. You don't want to dispel all the buff spells on the fighter just to get rid of that Hold Person. But my point is that they are [B]not[/B] three lemons. It's an orange, a lemon and a nectarine. And because the sage states that all lemons are yellow does not make all oranges yellow, even though they are both citrus fruits. If you got nothing better to say I suggest you keep your mouth shut. .Ziggy [/QUOTE]
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