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<blockquote data-quote="Pielorinho" data-source="post: 162396" data-attributes="member: 259"><p>Kreynolds, it wasn't nice to tell you to keep your mouth shut - but reading this thread, smilies or no smilies, I've been surprised by what seems like uncharacteristic rudeness from you toward Ziggy. I can't blame him for being irritated at it.</p><p></p><p>Ms. Manners-comments aside, let's look at some more troublesome examples:</p><p></p><p>Oriental Adventures has a spell called backbiter. I believe that when you cast backbiter on someone's wooden-hafted weapon, they get a will save or else the weapon turns around and starts attacking them. For now, let's assume the spell works that way: it's certainly a reasonable spell.</p><p></p><p>Bob the fighter and his best friend Tanya the wizard are fighting Hadunami the ape wizard. Tanya has cast all sorts of good fun on Bob: bull's strength, fly, and haste, for starters. Then Hadumani casts backbiter on Bob's +2 spear -- and it begins to stab Bob in the back!</p><p></p><p>Does Tanya want to target Bob with a dispel magic? No -- she just wants to target his spear. But it's a piece of attended equipment -- can she do it? If he dropped it, could she do it? what if he tossed it in the air and then caught it again (I'd rule such tossing to be an MEA)? Would that set off your sillymeter?</p><p></p><p>Further, let's say it's a +2 spear because she cast GMW on it earlier. Can she further refine her targeting of a spell so that it just targets the backbiter spell?</p><p></p><p>****</p><p></p><p>Another example: Bob's picked up a few levels of cleric and is closing with a bunch of evil cultists. Tanya is hanging back while Bob runs in -- and just as Bob takes a nasty hit to the groin, one of the cultists drops a silence spell near Bob. Tanya, thankfully, is outside of the silence, but she knows that Bob (who's buffed up with spells) needs to be able to heal himself next round. Can she target the unattended silence spell? She cannot, after all, see it; as you posted earlier:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, since the rules don't specify that only unattended spells can be targeted (or unattended objects), I don't see where folks are getting this restriction from. It sounds to me like a reasonable house rule; but since it seems to require adding the word "unattended" into the spell's description in several places, it does seem like a house rule.</p><p></p><p>Daniel</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pielorinho, post: 162396, member: 259"] Kreynolds, it wasn't nice to tell you to keep your mouth shut - but reading this thread, smilies or no smilies, I've been surprised by what seems like uncharacteristic rudeness from you toward Ziggy. I can't blame him for being irritated at it. Ms. Manners-comments aside, let's look at some more troublesome examples: Oriental Adventures has a spell called backbiter. I believe that when you cast backbiter on someone's wooden-hafted weapon, they get a will save or else the weapon turns around and starts attacking them. For now, let's assume the spell works that way: it's certainly a reasonable spell. Bob the fighter and his best friend Tanya the wizard are fighting Hadunami the ape wizard. Tanya has cast all sorts of good fun on Bob: bull's strength, fly, and haste, for starters. Then Hadumani casts backbiter on Bob's +2 spear -- and it begins to stab Bob in the back! Does Tanya want to target Bob with a dispel magic? No -- she just wants to target his spear. But it's a piece of attended equipment -- can she do it? If he dropped it, could she do it? what if he tossed it in the air and then caught it again (I'd rule such tossing to be an MEA)? Would that set off your sillymeter? Further, let's say it's a +2 spear because she cast GMW on it earlier. Can she further refine her targeting of a spell so that it just targets the backbiter spell? **** Another example: Bob's picked up a few levels of cleric and is closing with a bunch of evil cultists. Tanya is hanging back while Bob runs in -- and just as Bob takes a nasty hit to the groin, one of the cultists drops a silence spell near Bob. Tanya, thankfully, is outside of the silence, but she knows that Bob (who's buffed up with spells) needs to be able to heal himself next round. Can she target the unattended silence spell? She cannot, after all, see it; as you posted earlier: Again, since the rules don't specify that only unattended spells can be targeted (or unattended objects), I don't see where folks are getting this restriction from. It sounds to me like a reasonable house rule; but since it seems to require adding the word "unattended" into the spell's description in several places, it does seem like a house rule. Daniel [/QUOTE]
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