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Do you allow Bladesingers to cast Mending, Shillelagh or Magic Stone as part of the attack action?
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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9126178" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>That's the standard casting time for a cantrip. Some are bonus actions and at least one is longer than 1 action, but those are specific beats general versions of cantrips. The ability does not specifically quicken cantrips, so it has no ability to take a 1 minute casting and reduce it to part of an action.</p><p></p><p>No. This is a False Dichotomy. In addition to not specifying that it makes an exception for longer casting times than normal, it also specifies that it's part of the attack, so you need to be attacking with the cantrip. The attack action specifies that you are making an attack on a target, so a spell cast using the Bladesinger ability as part of that attack must also attack the target. Mending fails on that front as well.</p><p></p><p>Then the next time I want to cast lightning bolt as a bonus action I'll be sure to tell the DM that nothing is different about 1 action vs. 1 minute vs. bonus action. Since nothing is different, 1 action = 1 bonus action and I can do that, right? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>An attack takes 1 action of time. The ability allows you to sub a cantrip in for your extra attack as part of that 1 action. Anything longer than 1 action cannot by definition take 1 action to do unless something specifically changes the casting time such as the Sorcerer's Quicken Spell ability. Since 1 minute is in fact much different from 1 action, it can't be used as part of a single action without a very explicit exception.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 9126178, member: 23751"] That's the standard casting time for a cantrip. Some are bonus actions and at least one is longer than 1 action, but those are specific beats general versions of cantrips. The ability does not specifically quicken cantrips, so it has no ability to take a 1 minute casting and reduce it to part of an action. No. This is a False Dichotomy. In addition to not specifying that it makes an exception for longer casting times than normal, it also specifies that it's part of the attack, so you need to be attacking with the cantrip. The attack action specifies that you are making an attack on a target, so a spell cast using the Bladesinger ability as part of that attack must also attack the target. Mending fails on that front as well. Then the next time I want to cast lightning bolt as a bonus action I'll be sure to tell the DM that nothing is different about 1 action vs. 1 minute vs. bonus action. Since nothing is different, 1 action = 1 bonus action and I can do that, right? ;) An attack takes 1 action of time. The ability allows you to sub a cantrip in for your extra attack as part of that 1 action. Anything longer than 1 action cannot by definition take 1 action to do unless something specifically changes the casting time such as the Sorcerer's Quicken Spell ability. Since 1 minute is in fact much different from 1 action, it can't be used as part of a single action without a very explicit exception. [/QUOTE]
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