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Do you allow Bladesingers to cast Mending, Shillelagh or Magic Stone as part of the attack action?
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<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 9128481" data-attributes="member: 20564"><p>I notice that you didn't address any of the counter-examples I gave with magic items that cast spells using an action where the spell does not take an action to cast (either more or less). I'll give the benefit of the doubt that you just wanted to focus on other points, but if you continue to argue that will need to be addressed because it looks like we have a clear counter-example in the rules that doesn't support your interpretation.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It makes the casting time of the cantrip irrelevant. It replaces it with an attack. Explicitly. There is zero support in the rules that the casting time of the cantrip matters for this replacement.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Because nothing needs to. The casting time is transmuted to "one attack".</p><p></p><p></p><p>But since you DO NOT HAVE AN ACTION FREE to cast a cantrip because you have already spent that action on the Attack, then by this reading you can't cast any of the 1 action cantrips. If the casting time is not changed, you don't have the action left to cast it, even if it would happen to take the same amount of time as your Attack action. If this is correct it will stop all of the cantrips except the ones like Shillelagh if you still have a bonus action.</p><p></p><p>So this doesn't support your point <u><em>at all</em></u>. EITHER it's true, and you can't cast <strong>any </strong>of the 1 action cantrips, or it's unrelated and the feature does exactly what it says - allows you to cast a cantrip with the casting time of "one attack".</p><p></p><p>Again, action economy explicitly DOES say that you can do one action. The fact that a cantrip takes one action doesn't mean anything if you have already spent that action. The time that it could "fit inside the same amount of time" has no rule support and is a spurious argument.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Blue, post: 9128481, member: 20564"] I notice that you didn't address any of the counter-examples I gave with magic items that cast spells using an action where the spell does not take an action to cast (either more or less). I'll give the benefit of the doubt that you just wanted to focus on other points, but if you continue to argue that will need to be addressed because it looks like we have a clear counter-example in the rules that doesn't support your interpretation. It makes the casting time of the cantrip irrelevant. It replaces it with an attack. Explicitly. There is zero support in the rules that the casting time of the cantrip matters for this replacement. Because nothing needs to. The casting time is transmuted to "one attack". But since you DO NOT HAVE AN ACTION FREE to cast a cantrip because you have already spent that action on the Attack, then by this reading you can't cast any of the 1 action cantrips. If the casting time is not changed, you don't have the action left to cast it, even if it would happen to take the same amount of time as your Attack action. If this is correct it will stop all of the cantrips except the ones like Shillelagh if you still have a bonus action. So this doesn't support your point [U][I]at all[/I][/U]. EITHER it's true, and you can't cast [B]any [/B]of the 1 action cantrips, or it's unrelated and the feature does exactly what it says - allows you to cast a cantrip with the casting time of "one attack". Again, action economy explicitly DOES say that you can do one action. The fact that a cantrip takes one action doesn't mean anything if you have already spent that action. The time that it could "fit inside the same amount of time" has no rule support and is a spurious argument. [/QUOTE]
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