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Do you allow Bladesingers to cast Mending, Shillelagh or Magic Stone as part of the attack action?
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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9128502" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>I actually missed that. I have ADHD and sometimes I focus on some things and miss other things. It wasn't intentional.</p><p></p><p>If the magic items allow that, it's not a counter example. It's an example of specific beats general. Those items specifically allow the casting of that specific spell as an action. The Bladesinger ability does not call out Mending as being castable with the ability or reducing longer casting times to 1 action, so it doesn't.</p><p></p><p>No. It explicitly allows you to put a cantrip into the attack. It does not explicitly reduce the casting time, therefore it doesn't. </p><p></p><p>Again, see the example of See Invisibility allowing you to see the invisible person as if they were visible, but failing to remove the disadvantage for being invisible because it doesn't specifically do so.</p><p></p><p>I didn't ignore your magic item example, but it you seem to keep ignoring that in 5e specific means very specifically called out by name or it doesn't happen.</p><p></p><p>Other than specific beats general anyway, which requires the casting time to be specifically reduced or it doesn't reduce it.</p><p></p><p>No. That is not specifically said, so it does not do that. Only what is specifically said happens by RAW.</p><p></p><p>You don't need an action free. The ability specifically allows you to put the cantrip into the 1 action length attack and use it, but does not specifically reduce the casting time, so if the time is longer than the 1 action attack, it can't be used. Casting times of bonus action and action can fit within the 1 action length attack just fine.</p><p></p><p>This doesn't make any sense. The cantrip 1 action length of water can fit just fine in the 1 action cup of the attack action. However the 10 round(10 actions, excepting specific cases of additional actions) casting length of Mending does not fit inside the 1 action cup of the attack action.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 9128502, member: 23751"] I actually missed that. I have ADHD and sometimes I focus on some things and miss other things. It wasn't intentional. If the magic items allow that, it's not a counter example. It's an example of specific beats general. Those items specifically allow the casting of that specific spell as an action. The Bladesinger ability does not call out Mending as being castable with the ability or reducing longer casting times to 1 action, so it doesn't. No. It explicitly allows you to put a cantrip into the attack. It does not explicitly reduce the casting time, therefore it doesn't. Again, see the example of See Invisibility allowing you to see the invisible person as if they were visible, but failing to remove the disadvantage for being invisible because it doesn't specifically do so. I didn't ignore your magic item example, but it you seem to keep ignoring that in 5e specific means very specifically called out by name or it doesn't happen. Other than specific beats general anyway, which requires the casting time to be specifically reduced or it doesn't reduce it. No. That is not specifically said, so it does not do that. Only what is specifically said happens by RAW. You don't need an action free. The ability specifically allows you to put the cantrip into the 1 action length attack and use it, but does not specifically reduce the casting time, so if the time is longer than the 1 action attack, it can't be used. Casting times of bonus action and action can fit within the 1 action length attack just fine. This doesn't make any sense. The cantrip 1 action length of water can fit just fine in the 1 action cup of the attack action. However the 10 round(10 actions, excepting specific cases of additional actions) casting length of Mending does not fit inside the 1 action cup of the attack action. [/QUOTE]
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