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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6220168" data-attributes="member: 67338"><p>sure it is, it disputes the idea that YOUR pay is what determains tips, and makes it YOUR ACTOINS</p><p></p><p></p><p>And that sucks, I feel for them, but that doesn't equal I should give them money for nothing...</p><p></p><p></p><p>I wasn't on commison, and for the record neaither were any of the other TEN PEOPLE IN MY TRAINING CLASS... we were on our feet working every bit as hard as waitstaff, and had 0 chance of making more then min wage but were making min wage... Yes the server could work for $2 an hour, but if they do well they make much more... no matter how well I worked I was capped.</p><p></p><p>by the way since you brought up commission, most people give commission people a hard time, they only get paid at allif they sell. I had that job too. Try working a week with 0 income because no one bough tanything, and worse instead of a thank you tip you got called names, hung up on and where told to stop bugging you. </p><p></p><p>A big reason I dislike 'mandatory tipping' is because it is always shoved down our throats 'they make so little' but so do other people.</p><p></p><p>1st min wage... it's a joke. Here in my state even a crappy run down slum is $600-$800 a month... nothing included, add $100 a month in electric, another $120 for cable/internet/phone... half a tank of gas a week is $120 a month. Even if your really cheap and only spend $65 a week on grocery's that $260 a month, so with no car payment, no insurance and no going out and never replacing clothing you are at $1,200- $1,500 a month. </p><p> Lets say you work 40 hours, at $10 an hour that is $1,200 Before taxes... and again the min wage in my stat is $8 and change.</p><p></p><p>2nd there is a amount of BS involved in being asked for something. If I tip a good server, and a bad server equaly then it isn't a tip, it is a bill. </p><p></p><p>3rd It is abratry that it is set at 15% or 20%, if I order a $35 steak is it harder for her to get it to me then a $9 cheese burger? What if I order a Beer $7 then a second beer $7 or get a Soda with refills $2.50 why tip $5.25 on the stake and $1.35 for the burger... it is the same work? Worse If I drink the 2 beers that is $14 so tip $2.10 for two trips, but 5 refills of the soda is $0.40?? Lets take my fav example. I go to fridays and order a 2 for $12, and water I get an appatiser of fried mozzerella, and drink a whole glass of water with it, then I get my burger and drink a glass with it. Me and my friends hang out for a bit and I drink another. So 3 trips for drinks, a trip with an appatiser, a trip with the burger and most likely a trip to bring me mustard for the burger... $12 + $1.80 tip, I round up and give $14 keep the change no one bats an eyelash. However if I order a Steak (14.95) and salad (4.95) and a Beer that I will nurse the whole meal (6.95) she is doing LESS work for my meal, and my meal is $26.85 if I tip the same $2 that is considered rude... why, was the steak order so much harder? But now I am supposed to tip $4.03 brining it up to $30.88. Now if I round it down to $30 is that still rude? Or do you think I should pay $31??</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 6220168, member: 67338"] sure it is, it disputes the idea that YOUR pay is what determains tips, and makes it YOUR ACTOINS And that sucks, I feel for them, but that doesn't equal I should give them money for nothing... I wasn't on commison, and for the record neaither were any of the other TEN PEOPLE IN MY TRAINING CLASS... we were on our feet working every bit as hard as waitstaff, and had 0 chance of making more then min wage but were making min wage... Yes the server could work for $2 an hour, but if they do well they make much more... no matter how well I worked I was capped. by the way since you brought up commission, most people give commission people a hard time, they only get paid at allif they sell. I had that job too. Try working a week with 0 income because no one bough tanything, and worse instead of a thank you tip you got called names, hung up on and where told to stop bugging you. A big reason I dislike 'mandatory tipping' is because it is always shoved down our throats 'they make so little' but so do other people. 1st min wage... it's a joke. Here in my state even a crappy run down slum is $600-$800 a month... nothing included, add $100 a month in electric, another $120 for cable/internet/phone... half a tank of gas a week is $120 a month. Even if your really cheap and only spend $65 a week on grocery's that $260 a month, so with no car payment, no insurance and no going out and never replacing clothing you are at $1,200- $1,500 a month. Lets say you work 40 hours, at $10 an hour that is $1,200 Before taxes... and again the min wage in my stat is $8 and change. 2nd there is a amount of BS involved in being asked for something. If I tip a good server, and a bad server equaly then it isn't a tip, it is a bill. 3rd It is abratry that it is set at 15% or 20%, if I order a $35 steak is it harder for her to get it to me then a $9 cheese burger? What if I order a Beer $7 then a second beer $7 or get a Soda with refills $2.50 why tip $5.25 on the stake and $1.35 for the burger... it is the same work? Worse If I drink the 2 beers that is $14 so tip $2.10 for two trips, but 5 refills of the soda is $0.40?? Lets take my fav example. I go to fridays and order a 2 for $12, and water I get an appatiser of fried mozzerella, and drink a whole glass of water with it, then I get my burger and drink a glass with it. Me and my friends hang out for a bit and I drink another. So 3 trips for drinks, a trip with an appatiser, a trip with the burger and most likely a trip to bring me mustard for the burger... $12 + $1.80 tip, I round up and give $14 keep the change no one bats an eyelash. However if I order a Steak (14.95) and salad (4.95) and a Beer that I will nurse the whole meal (6.95) she is doing LESS work for my meal, and my meal is $26.85 if I tip the same $2 that is considered rude... why, was the steak order so much harder? But now I am supposed to tip $4.03 brining it up to $30.88. Now if I round it down to $30 is that still rude? Or do you think I should pay $31?? [/QUOTE]
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