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<blockquote data-quote="Goddess FallenAngel" data-source="post: 2220997" data-attributes="member: 11434"><p>You know, I’m hearing a lot that makes me think that it’s not so much a trust issue as a having fun issue. As I mentioned above, I used to game with an individual who cheated outrageously with the die rolls, and no one ever mentioned it because we found it amusing. In other words, we were having fun, so who cares?</p><p></p><p>On the other hand, the guy I game with now bugs the heck out of me sometimes with his cheating, because it ‘cheapens’ the other characters. When he sees someone with a higher skill check, for instance, the next game session all of a sudden his ranks in that skill are higher. For a long time, the other player had a maxed-out Hide check – and then all of a sudden, without even leveling up or getting a magic item, this player had a higher skill check. Stuff like that makes us - the other players - feel like, "why should our PCs bother working our a** off to get better, when PC X is just going to end up better than us anyway?"</p><p></p><p>Same with stats, and he has ‘floating’ class levels - we are using the Gestalt rules from Unearthed Arcana (or is it Arcana Unearthed?...), and we did away with multi-classing penalties & favored classes as a house rule. Although he writes down on his character sheet which classes his character has, he doesn’t write down the level in each class his character is, just the total character level. So when he needs to figure, for instance, save DCs for a spell, he’ll sometimes give different DCs than we think he really has. It ends up bogging the game down, because the DM will sometimes ask how he has that number, and he has to go and look on his computer to find out what class levels he is (he apparently has a Excel worksheet where he tracks stuff like that). Despite requests from the DM, he still doesn’t write everything on his character sheet.</p><p></p><p>Fortunately, we roleplay most of the time, only getting into a fight every 2nd game session or so, so it doesn’t come into play often – which makes it bearable, and most of the time, we don't care that he cheats.</p><p></p><p>However, since we’re on the topic, maybe someone could answer a question for me (if it can without hijacking the thread – otherwise tell me to take this question elsewhere) <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>The group wants me to DM a game. I wouldn’t mind doing so, but this cheating thing with this individual would irritate me a lot more if I was DM than it does as a player. I see a lot of people saying that it doesn’t bother them – but what would be a good way to talk to this player about this? From a DM-of-a-new-game standpoint, and not as a player-in-current-game standpoint?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Goddess FallenAngel, post: 2220997, member: 11434"] You know, I’m hearing a lot that makes me think that it’s not so much a trust issue as a having fun issue. As I mentioned above, I used to game with an individual who cheated outrageously with the die rolls, and no one ever mentioned it because we found it amusing. In other words, we were having fun, so who cares? On the other hand, the guy I game with now bugs the heck out of me sometimes with his cheating, because it ‘cheapens’ the other characters. When he sees someone with a higher skill check, for instance, the next game session all of a sudden his ranks in that skill are higher. For a long time, the other player had a maxed-out Hide check – and then all of a sudden, without even leveling up or getting a magic item, this player had a higher skill check. Stuff like that makes us - the other players - feel like, "why should our PCs bother working our a** off to get better, when PC X is just going to end up better than us anyway?" Same with stats, and he has ‘floating’ class levels - we are using the Gestalt rules from Unearthed Arcana (or is it Arcana Unearthed?...), and we did away with multi-classing penalties & favored classes as a house rule. Although he writes down on his character sheet which classes his character has, he doesn’t write down the level in each class his character is, just the total character level. So when he needs to figure, for instance, save DCs for a spell, he’ll sometimes give different DCs than we think he really has. It ends up bogging the game down, because the DM will sometimes ask how he has that number, and he has to go and look on his computer to find out what class levels he is (he apparently has a Excel worksheet where he tracks stuff like that). Despite requests from the DM, he still doesn’t write everything on his character sheet. Fortunately, we roleplay most of the time, only getting into a fight every 2nd game session or so, so it doesn’t come into play often – which makes it bearable, and most of the time, we don't care that he cheats. However, since we’re on the topic, maybe someone could answer a question for me (if it can without hijacking the thread – otherwise tell me to take this question elsewhere) :) The group wants me to DM a game. I wouldn’t mind doing so, but this cheating thing with this individual would irritate me a lot more if I was DM than it does as a player. I see a lot of people saying that it doesn’t bother them – but what would be a good way to talk to this player about this? From a DM-of-a-new-game standpoint, and not as a player-in-current-game standpoint? [/QUOTE]
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