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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6397287" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Yup. Anything can work great or blow up in a DM's face. The point was that a more mature player would have not blown a gasket over a ruling. Was it a railroad? Yes, that tiny part was a bit of a railroad. There were literally dozens of different options throughout the story arc and dozens of places to go and things to do. This was an obvious one (get on spaceship to rescue NPCs at space station) that the villain prepared for.</p><p></p><p>There were two PCs in the group that could directly counter this event if they had thought to do so. He was not one of them. The event was also not totally unavoidable, just unlikely to be avoided. Any of the PCs could have gone to check security camera footage of the area around the spaceship before the launch and had a chance of spotting the bad guy. They didn't think to do so. This happens in games. The players do not think of all of their possible options. Did I make a mistake by not letting him roll the dice? In hindsight, yes. If I had played with the group for a long time, I might have known.</p><p></p><p>But the point is that there are portions of adventures that are a bit of railroads once the PCs get to a certain point. Once the PCs fall into the pit trap, they take the damage. It's too late at that point to say "Well, we would have roped ourselves together." or "Well, we would have searched the area for traps.". The bomb example is like a PC trying to Detect Magic when he does not have the spell. Sure, the DM could fudge the adventure and say "you see a feint glow" around the object because the PC made a Perception check, but if there is no feint glow around the object in the DM's mind, then there is no feint glow. The Perception skill does not detect magic and the DM is totally reasonable in ruling that the player does not even get to roll because he knows that the player will not find anything.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 6397287, member: 2011"] Yup. Anything can work great or blow up in a DM's face. The point was that a more mature player would have not blown a gasket over a ruling. Was it a railroad? Yes, that tiny part was a bit of a railroad. There were literally dozens of different options throughout the story arc and dozens of places to go and things to do. This was an obvious one (get on spaceship to rescue NPCs at space station) that the villain prepared for. There were two PCs in the group that could directly counter this event if they had thought to do so. He was not one of them. The event was also not totally unavoidable, just unlikely to be avoided. Any of the PCs could have gone to check security camera footage of the area around the spaceship before the launch and had a chance of spotting the bad guy. They didn't think to do so. This happens in games. The players do not think of all of their possible options. Did I make a mistake by not letting him roll the dice? In hindsight, yes. If I had played with the group for a long time, I might have known. But the point is that there are portions of adventures that are a bit of railroads once the PCs get to a certain point. Once the PCs fall into the pit trap, they take the damage. It's too late at that point to say "Well, we would have roped ourselves together." or "Well, we would have searched the area for traps.". The bomb example is like a PC trying to Detect Magic when he does not have the spell. Sure, the DM could fudge the adventure and say "you see a feint glow" around the object because the PC made a Perception check, but if there is no feint glow around the object in the DM's mind, then there is no feint glow. The Perception skill does not detect magic and the DM is totally reasonable in ruling that the player does not even get to roll because he knows that the player will not find anything. [/QUOTE]
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