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<blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 8812970" data-attributes="member: 58197"><p>I don't understand the folks saying <em>dominate person</em> somehow erases <em>suggestion</em>. Are you really arguing that any mind-affecting spell can be used like <em>dispel magic</em> to wipe away lower-level mind-affecting spells?</p><p></p><p>If a character is under two spells simultaneously, both of their effects apply. The only time you have to consider whether one trumps the other is if their effects are mutually exclusive. The bard worded their <em>suggestion</em> in a way that avoids such a scenario: The BBEG only said "Give me your weapon," not <em>which </em>weapon. Any weapon would do. So the PC could follow both commands, and would do so, giving the artifact to the bard and the greatsword to the BBEG.</p><p></p><p>Now, the BBEG could force the issue by re-wording the command: "Give me Artifact X." That would put the two spells in direct conflict--the PC cannot simultaneously give artifact X to the bard and to the BBEG--and in that case it makes sense for the stronger spell to win. <em>Dominate person</em> doesn't require an action to give commands, so it's reasonable to say it can be used out of turn... but only if the BBEG realizes the need to do so before the <em>suggestion</em> is carried out. If the BBEG can't tell that <em>suggestion</em> was cast, or doesn't guess the wording of it, he won't know that he needs to update his orders until the PC suddenly gives Artifact X to the bard, at which point it's too late.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dausuul, post: 8812970, member: 58197"] I don't understand the folks saying [I]dominate person[/I] somehow erases [I]suggestion[/I]. Are you really arguing that any mind-affecting spell can be used like [I]dispel magic[/I] to wipe away lower-level mind-affecting spells? If a character is under two spells simultaneously, both of their effects apply. The only time you have to consider whether one trumps the other is if their effects are mutually exclusive. The bard worded their [I]suggestion[/I] in a way that avoids such a scenario: The BBEG only said "Give me your weapon," not [I]which [/I]weapon. Any weapon would do. So the PC could follow both commands, and would do so, giving the artifact to the bard and the greatsword to the BBEG. Now, the BBEG could force the issue by re-wording the command: "Give me Artifact X." That would put the two spells in direct conflict--the PC cannot simultaneously give artifact X to the bard and to the BBEG--and in that case it makes sense for the stronger spell to win. [I]Dominate person[/I] doesn't require an action to give commands, so it's reasonable to say it can be used out of turn... but only if the BBEG realizes the need to do so before the [I]suggestion[/I] is carried out. If the BBEG can't tell that [I]suggestion[/I] was cast, or doesn't guess the wording of it, he won't know that he needs to update his orders until the PC suddenly gives Artifact X to the bard, at which point it's too late. [/QUOTE]
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