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<blockquote data-quote="Mannahnin" data-source="post: 8684661" data-attributes="member: 7026594"><p>I think I'm somewhere in the middle.</p><p></p><p>Wanda in Wandavision was a tragic/fallen hero, doing a lot of harm unwittingly, not through conscious choice. When made aware of the problem she stopped harming others, at great cost to herself. But she had neither the ability to reverse time/actually undo the harm already caused, nor the self-knowledge or resources to properly heal herself. </p><p></p><p>I think at the end of Wandavision she had the capacity to either be redeemed fully or fall farther, but the tragedy is that no one was willing or able to step in and intervene to help the former happen. Instead, the Darkhold was there to help the latter happen. </p><p></p><p>She was able to step away from the harm she was causing, but merely removing oneself from a traumatic situation doesn't undo the trauma. As we saw with Tony before her, it drives the traumatized person to act out in unhealthy ways, harmful to themself and others. Tony's lack of trust in himself and others led to Ultron, and then to trying to wash his hands of it by handing responsibility over to the government, and projecting his own issues onto everyone else.</p><p></p><p>I generally think her fall into villainy makes perfect sense given the overall picture and viewer knowledge of what the Darkhold is and does. </p><p></p><p>I do agree with the folks in this discussion who think the character arc as shown to the audience from Wanda's appearances in the MCU has a significant bobble between Wandavision and MoM. I think Raimi's reported failure to finish Wandavision is likely a big part of that. I would expect that if the ending of the TV show had been better integrated with the movie, it would have felt smoother. But even just the larger narrative decision to put so much of the story of Wanda and her kids in a Disney+ TV show and expect the audience to be familiar with it feels like a bit of a misstep.</p><p></p><p>I appreciate that so much of the MCU has been rooted in quasi-realistic character motivations rooted in relatively thoughtful portrayals of characters responding to personal trauma. I think it's led to some good drama and great melodrama, and is very true to the legacy of Marvel comics trying to ground their heroes a bit in having relatable personal issues and flaws. I think Eric's got a good point that it would be nice if at some point more of these traumatized heroes actually got some help/counseling. </p><p></p><p>Although reflecting on it a bit, the MCU hasn't been entirely devoid of this. Now that I think about it, that's yet another reason why Captain America: The Winter Soldier was so damn good. We actually see Cap in a support group, if not in individual counseling. Falcon & Winter Soldier also has Bucky in therapy. I'm trying to remember- is there some reference to or appearance of grief or other counseling in Endgame as well?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mannahnin, post: 8684661, member: 7026594"] I think I'm somewhere in the middle. Wanda in Wandavision was a tragic/fallen hero, doing a lot of harm unwittingly, not through conscious choice. When made aware of the problem she stopped harming others, at great cost to herself. But she had neither the ability to reverse time/actually undo the harm already caused, nor the self-knowledge or resources to properly heal herself. I think at the end of Wandavision she had the capacity to either be redeemed fully or fall farther, but the tragedy is that no one was willing or able to step in and intervene to help the former happen. Instead, the Darkhold was there to help the latter happen. She was able to step away from the harm she was causing, but merely removing oneself from a traumatic situation doesn't undo the trauma. As we saw with Tony before her, it drives the traumatized person to act out in unhealthy ways, harmful to themself and others. Tony's lack of trust in himself and others led to Ultron, and then to trying to wash his hands of it by handing responsibility over to the government, and projecting his own issues onto everyone else. I generally think her fall into villainy makes perfect sense given the overall picture and viewer knowledge of what the Darkhold is and does. I do agree with the folks in this discussion who think the character arc as shown to the audience from Wanda's appearances in the MCU has a significant bobble between Wandavision and MoM. I think Raimi's reported failure to finish Wandavision is likely a big part of that. I would expect that if the ending of the TV show had been better integrated with the movie, it would have felt smoother. But even just the larger narrative decision to put so much of the story of Wanda and her kids in a Disney+ TV show and expect the audience to be familiar with it feels like a bit of a misstep. I appreciate that so much of the MCU has been rooted in quasi-realistic character motivations rooted in relatively thoughtful portrayals of characters responding to personal trauma. I think it's led to some good drama and great melodrama, and is very true to the legacy of Marvel comics trying to ground their heroes a bit in having relatable personal issues and flaws. I think Eric's got a good point that it would be nice if at some point more of these traumatized heroes actually got some help/counseling. Although reflecting on it a bit, the MCU hasn't been entirely devoid of this. Now that I think about it, that's yet another reason why Captain America: The Winter Soldier was so damn good. We actually see Cap in a support group, if not in individual counseling. Falcon & Winter Soldier also has Bucky in therapy. I'm trying to remember- is there some reference to or appearance of grief or other counseling in Endgame as well? [/QUOTE]
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