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<blockquote data-quote="stonegod" data-source="post: 3692401" data-attributes="member: 36973"><p>So, here are the MIC rules for ID for comparison:</p><p>- Kn (arcana) DC 30 check will give someone an idea about an item, generally if it is very legendary or has common forms. May or may not give full item details depending on item/DM. A 3rd level Wiz w/ 18 Int would have barely a chance at this, and wouldn't be able to do it regularly until 9 levels later when <em>analyze dweomer</em> is available</p><p>- Search checks *might* give command words for wands and rings. Again, DM fiat</p><p>- Spellcraft: Aside from the already usable potion check (DC 25), they allow a Spellcraft of 10 plus the roll needed to id the school of magic to id an item's function assuming <em>detect magic</em> is used. So, this is effectively 25+spell level. A 1st level wiz has a chance with an item with a CL of 6 or that uses a 3rd level spell, wouldn't be able to do this consistently until 10th level, one before <em>analyze dweomer</em> is available. Don't use time or an action, and can be retried as per RAW; I'd suggest making this check a full minute action (ala potions).</p><p>- UMD: If one succeeds on activating an item with a check of 5+the normally required roll, ID the various functions, # charges, etc. An Artificer 1 with 18 Cha could do this for wands, though not consistently until 6th level, a warlock at 8th; Wondrous items would be 10th/12th level respectively via an activate blindly if no other emulation is needed. Only works on items that are 'activated'</p><p></p><p>All of these are pretty reasonable, and don't destroy the economy as if you need to autosucceed, <em>identify</em> still works, and <em>analyze dweomer</em> is still pretty useful at its level. The <em>magic insight</em> invocation of dragonfire adepts, however, blows all of these away.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stonegod, post: 3692401, member: 36973"] So, here are the MIC rules for ID for comparison: - Kn (arcana) DC 30 check will give someone an idea about an item, generally if it is very legendary or has common forms. May or may not give full item details depending on item/DM. A 3rd level Wiz w/ 18 Int would have barely a chance at this, and wouldn't be able to do it regularly until 9 levels later when [i]analyze dweomer[/i] is available - Search checks *might* give command words for wands and rings. Again, DM fiat - Spellcraft: Aside from the already usable potion check (DC 25), they allow a Spellcraft of 10 plus the roll needed to id the school of magic to id an item's function assuming [i]detect magic[/i] is used. So, this is effectively 25+spell level. A 1st level wiz has a chance with an item with a CL of 6 or that uses a 3rd level spell, wouldn't be able to do this consistently until 10th level, one before [i]analyze dweomer[/i] is available. Don't use time or an action, and can be retried as per RAW; I'd suggest making this check a full minute action (ala potions). - UMD: If one succeeds on activating an item with a check of 5+the normally required roll, ID the various functions, # charges, etc. An Artificer 1 with 18 Cha could do this for wands, though not consistently until 6th level, a warlock at 8th; Wondrous items would be 10th/12th level respectively via an activate blindly if no other emulation is needed. Only works on items that are 'activated' All of these are pretty reasonable, and don't destroy the economy as if you need to autosucceed, [i]identify[/i] still works, and [i]analyze dweomer[/i] is still pretty useful at its level. The [i]magic insight[/i] invocation of dragonfire adepts, however, blows all of these away. [/QUOTE]
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