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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 8748314" data-attributes="member: 6855114"><p>Take this with a grain of salt. It is not an absolute. But there is a definite difference between: I do not agree with "X" and go check if it is as I say, and I do not agree with "X" and it should never happen again... (or change it, remove it yaddi yadda...).</p><p></p><p>IF you follow my other posts, I advocate to talk with the author and to get to understand. As long as a line of communication does not go as the first case above in this post, everything is fine. We do not all agree on things. It is when we advocate for the removal/ban/change/sanction of something that we are slowly censoring things. And censorship is always bad.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, but that discordant voice was not trying to understand but to silence and ban something. There is a fine line between criticizing and censoring. They were not a discordant voice, they were a censoring voice. They were actively saying to us: We know better! We know what is best for you because you clearly do not have the maturity/wisdom/necessary thought process to think things through as you should and that is OUR way! See the difference? There was no communication, only the will to make something stop because of an ill conceived perception. And these mother were fine persons, but they were misguided. It took me a lot of efforts to counter their actions, a lot of presentations and for a 15 year old, it was not an easy thing. I was fortunate enough to have the approval of our priests and the head order of the monastery at the time. (We have a Trappist Monastery where I was serving mass in latin for them with our priest once a month).</p><p></p><p>So yep, censorship always starts small, and always tries to shut down what it finds "offensive" and "intolerable".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 8748314, member: 6855114"] Take this with a grain of salt. It is not an absolute. But there is a definite difference between: I do not agree with "X" and go check if it is as I say, and I do not agree with "X" and it should never happen again... (or change it, remove it yaddi yadda...). IF you follow my other posts, I advocate to talk with the author and to get to understand. As long as a line of communication does not go as the first case above in this post, everything is fine. We do not all agree on things. It is when we advocate for the removal/ban/change/sanction of something that we are slowly censoring things. And censorship is always bad. Yes, but that discordant voice was not trying to understand but to silence and ban something. There is a fine line between criticizing and censoring. They were not a discordant voice, they were a censoring voice. They were actively saying to us: We know better! We know what is best for you because you clearly do not have the maturity/wisdom/necessary thought process to think things through as you should and that is OUR way! See the difference? There was no communication, only the will to make something stop because of an ill conceived perception. And these mother were fine persons, but they were misguided. It took me a lot of efforts to counter their actions, a lot of presentations and for a 15 year old, it was not an easy thing. I was fortunate enough to have the approval of our priests and the head order of the monastery at the time. (We have a Trappist Monastery where I was serving mass in latin for them with our priest once a month). So yep, censorship always starts small, and always tries to shut down what it finds "offensive" and "intolerable". [/QUOTE]
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