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<blockquote data-quote="Levistus's_Leviathan" data-source="post: 8748420" data-attributes="member: 7023887"><p>So you admit there are parallels.</p><p></p><p>I grew up Mormon. I know more about the doctrine than you could probably gather from a simple Google search.</p><p>[SPOILER="The Great Apostasy and the Cataclysm similarities"]</p><p>The Great Apostasy is a core principle of Mormonism. According to Joseph Smith, he was told by God and Jesus that no church was true and none had been true since Jesus's apostles died. This time period where the world was without prophets and apostles is called the "Great Apostasy" and, according to Mormon doctrine, is the reason why societal and technological progression was so slow during the Dark Ages. Mormons don't actually believe their church is just 200 years old. They believe it is about 2,000 years old and is simply a refounded version of the church Jesus started in the New Testament.</p><p></p><p>Now, compare this to the Cataclysm. The Cataclysm is blending two parts of doctrine Mormons believe in: the Flood and the Great Apostasy. The destruction the gods inflicted on the world at the Cataclysm is Dragonlance's parallel to the Flood, where the world was apparently so wicked that God flooded and killed basically everyone and it took the world a long time to recover. Additionally, in the Cataclysm, the gods of Dragonlance abandoned its people until a new blonde-haired, blue-eyed prophet discovered and refounded the religions due to plates made out of precious metal that have sacred knowledge written in a dead language on them.</p><p></p><p>Additionally, there is the whole aspect of the "priesthood" in Mormon doctrine. Mormons believe in "the priesthood", which is divine power granted by God to worthy men than can bless the worthy, heal the sick, protect the vulnerable, and even bring back the dead/create matter. Mormons believe that the priesthood was gone during the Great Apostasy, that no one had access to it. This echoes healing magic being impossible post-Cataclysm pre-Goldmoon on Dragonlance, because Dragonlance's equivalent of the "priesthood" hadn't been rediscovered yet.</p><p>[/SPOILER]</p><p></p><p>Do you see the parallels? Because they're quite apparent.</p><p></p><p>You're thinking of the Nephites and Lamanites from (according to the Book of Mormon) 600 BC to ~400 AD, which Mormons believe transitioned into the colonization-era Native Americans over the course of ~1,400 years. Goldmoon and Riverwind are clearly inspired by that same era of Native Americans. I'm also going to point out that there are 12 tribes of Abanasinian Plainsmen (Dragonlance's equivalent of Native Americans), which hearkens back to Mormons believing that the Native Americans are the descendants of some of the lost tribes of Israel.</p><p></p><p>???</p><p></p><p>I never said it was. I was just saying that anumeric tribes can be taught about numbers. It's unclear if Gully Dwarves have the mental capacity to (which would be genetic).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Levistus's_Leviathan, post: 8748420, member: 7023887"] So you admit there are parallels. I grew up Mormon. I know more about the doctrine than you could probably gather from a simple Google search. [SPOILER="The Great Apostasy and the Cataclysm similarities"] The Great Apostasy is a core principle of Mormonism. According to Joseph Smith, he was told by God and Jesus that no church was true and none had been true since Jesus's apostles died. This time period where the world was without prophets and apostles is called the "Great Apostasy" and, according to Mormon doctrine, is the reason why societal and technological progression was so slow during the Dark Ages. Mormons don't actually believe their church is just 200 years old. They believe it is about 2,000 years old and is simply a refounded version of the church Jesus started in the New Testament. Now, compare this to the Cataclysm. The Cataclysm is blending two parts of doctrine Mormons believe in: the Flood and the Great Apostasy. The destruction the gods inflicted on the world at the Cataclysm is Dragonlance's parallel to the Flood, where the world was apparently so wicked that God flooded and killed basically everyone and it took the world a long time to recover. Additionally, in the Cataclysm, the gods of Dragonlance abandoned its people until a new blonde-haired, blue-eyed prophet discovered and refounded the religions due to plates made out of precious metal that have sacred knowledge written in a dead language on them. Additionally, there is the whole aspect of the "priesthood" in Mormon doctrine. Mormons believe in "the priesthood", which is divine power granted by God to worthy men than can bless the worthy, heal the sick, protect the vulnerable, and even bring back the dead/create matter. Mormons believe that the priesthood was gone during the Great Apostasy, that no one had access to it. This echoes healing magic being impossible post-Cataclysm pre-Goldmoon on Dragonlance, because Dragonlance's equivalent of the "priesthood" hadn't been rediscovered yet. [/SPOILER] Do you see the parallels? Because they're quite apparent. You're thinking of the Nephites and Lamanites from (according to the Book of Mormon) 600 BC to ~400 AD, which Mormons believe transitioned into the colonization-era Native Americans over the course of ~1,400 years. Goldmoon and Riverwind are clearly inspired by that same era of Native Americans. I'm also going to point out that there are 12 tribes of Abanasinian Plainsmen (Dragonlance's equivalent of Native Americans), which hearkens back to Mormons believing that the Native Americans are the descendants of some of the lost tribes of Israel. ??? I never said it was. I was just saying that anumeric tribes can be taught about numbers. It's unclear if Gully Dwarves have the mental capacity to (which would be genetic). [/QUOTE]
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