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<blockquote data-quote="JohnRTroy" data-source="post: 8000360" data-attributes="member: 2732"><p>The biggest problem is that so many people are speculating with little knowledge. All that people (may) know, is that there are two wills in dispute.'</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Nobody knows what they say (outside of the affected parties, which applies to further "nobodies")</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Nobody knows the condition either of them are in. Is one notarized and signed by witnesses? Is one not? Under what conditions were they created and filed as?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Nobody knows what other laws and rules apply when it comes to Gary's estate, as it is a lot of IP. I mentioned the Trigee item because I think it gets messier if the corporation itself is involved.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Nobody really knows fully any of the motivations behind the conflicts. Most people are judging based on limited knowledge, or their own personal projection of what they either think Gary wanted, or what they as fans or consumers might want.</li> </ul><p>And quite frankly, none of this will really be any of our business. This is a civil matter, and will be decided by a Judge who will have all the facts as presented and make a decision based on that. Neither side aired this stuff publicly, it was just pulled out by folks because every court case has at least a few minimal public records. I'm not sure a civil state case would ever have a transcript available. So, most likely we'll only know the outcome. Somebody will be happy, somebody will be sad. I personally would prefer that we wait and see and give all the Gygaxes some privacy rather than armchair speculate the outcomes--but there is freedom of speech and all that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A key point missed is the fact that the law states "In the case of any work <strong>other than a work made for hire</strong>". </p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">With Trigee, did Gary work under a "work for hire clause" when creating stuff for that? That would prevent a transfer of copyright under this law.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">What about D&D items -- there was stuff copyright by his name, but did he transfer that in his agreement with TSR when he left? </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Complicating those matters involve an agreement Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson made with WoTC around 1999-2000. From what I had read and understood, WoTC wanted to make sure that they wouldn't be able to declare a termination of copyright or something similar (since there was an older law on the books that applied to pre-1976 copyright dates), so I suspect Gary and Dave gave up all future claims of copyright to any of the work they did at any time before their splits with the company. So I doubt things like Dangerous Journeys and stuff from the 1980s would be able to be terminated.</li> </ul></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JohnRTroy, post: 8000360, member: 2732"] The biggest problem is that so many people are speculating with little knowledge. All that people (may) know, is that there are two wills in dispute.' [LIST] [*]Nobody knows what they say (outside of the affected parties, which applies to further "nobodies") [*]Nobody knows the condition either of them are in. Is one notarized and signed by witnesses? Is one not? Under what conditions were they created and filed as? [*]Nobody knows what other laws and rules apply when it comes to Gary's estate, as it is a lot of IP. I mentioned the Trigee item because I think it gets messier if the corporation itself is involved. [*]Nobody really knows fully any of the motivations behind the conflicts. Most people are judging based on limited knowledge, or their own personal projection of what they either think Gary wanted, or what they as fans or consumers might want. [/LIST] And quite frankly, none of this will really be any of our business. This is a civil matter, and will be decided by a Judge who will have all the facts as presented and make a decision based on that. Neither side aired this stuff publicly, it was just pulled out by folks because every court case has at least a few minimal public records. I'm not sure a civil state case would ever have a transcript available. So, most likely we'll only know the outcome. Somebody will be happy, somebody will be sad. I personally would prefer that we wait and see and give all the Gygaxes some privacy rather than armchair speculate the outcomes--but there is freedom of speech and all that. A key point missed is the fact that the law states "In the case of any work [B]other than a work made for hire[/B]". [LIST] [*]With Trigee, did Gary work under a "work for hire clause" when creating stuff for that? That would prevent a transfer of copyright under this law. [*]What about D&D items -- there was stuff copyright by his name, but did he transfer that in his agreement with TSR when he left? [*]Complicating those matters involve an agreement Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson made with WoTC around 1999-2000. From what I had read and understood, WoTC wanted to make sure that they wouldn't be able to declare a termination of copyright or something similar (since there was an older law on the books that applied to pre-1976 copyright dates), so I suspect Gary and Dave gave up all future claims of copyright to any of the work they did at any time before their splits with the company. So I doubt things like Dangerous Journeys and stuff from the 1980s would be able to be terminated. [/LIST] [/QUOTE]
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