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<blockquote data-quote="Loonook" data-source="post: 5908899" data-attributes="member: 1861"><p><strong>Water Water Everywhere...</strong></p><p></p><p>So I have been looking into one of those civic wonders... The <em>Decanter of Endless Water</em>. How useful is a Decanter of Endless Water to our small community?</p><p></p><p>The purchase of a Decanter is a bit of an expenditure to our Noble... But it is extremely useful for the purposes of irrigation in the field, supplying fresh/clean water to his subjects, and providing for efficient firefighting. So how do we figure out the overall water needs of our population?</p><p></p><p>Well, first let us see a year's output of a Decanter of Endless Water. A Decanter in its Geyser form produces 300 GpM (Gallons per Minute). This amount gives us the overall output of 432000 Gallons per Day (GpD).</p><p></p><p>This provides <strong>1329 Gallons per Day</strong> for every man, woman, and child in the area. That seems like a lot per person... Let us see how much would be left over after our irrigation and possible firefighting.</p><p></p><p>_____</p><p>Grow Wheat Grow!</p><p></p><p>So we want to supply our nice little wheat some sweet, delicious water. First I would like to know how much water would be needed to irrigate the entire 2560 acre property for wheat production. I will put an extremely high amount of irrigation as our baseline <a href="http://waterquality.montana.edu/docs/irrigation/100bushel.shtml" target="_blank">(for 100 bushel yields!)</a>... which requires timed release of 20 inches of water over the entirety of the property.</p><p></p><p>How many cubic feet of water? An acre is 43 560 square feet, so our overall square footage would come to 111513600 square feet. 20" converts to 1.667 feet, and thus we have 185856000 in perfect conditions. We will also take <a href="http://www.fao.org/docrep/T7202E/t7202e08.htm" target="_blank">irrigation efficiency</a> into account, with a loamy soil providing for 70% efficiency.</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Overall water need: 265508571 Cubic Feet of water.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">*Gallons per Cubic feet: 7.480</li> </ul><p>___</p><p>1986004111.08 gallons.</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><br /> <p style="margin-left: 20px">[*]/432000 GDP</p> </li> </ul><p>_____</p><p>4597 decanter days. </p><p></p><p>Wheat takes around 120 days to grow, bringing the total to 38 Decanter Days/day.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As we can see irrigating the entire area would be impossible with a single decanter... At the least you would need 38 Decanters to irrigate these loamy canals if we do not figure in for off-site storage of water in canals during the 'off season' of wheat (where you would still need a minimum of 13).</p><p></p><p>If we have a drought condition (defined as a period of 15 or more days without any accumulating rainfall) our Decanter could assuage the issue slightly for certain areas, providing water for the crops for the period (and still coming in well within our requirements for our bushel/acre yield). </p><p></p><p>In a location with no real rain your Noble can produce wheat yields for 342000 if only triggering the water for use of wheat during the period. Seems expensive... But creating wheat in a drought-stricken area for 1000 individuals would cost around a generation's worth of full investment into the project by a single noble. </p><p></p><p>Let us say that our Noble's son gains a claim in the middle of a loamy drought area. The Noble decides to invest in his son's wealth, providing 20 years of his investments at a conservative rate to the procuring of Decanters of Endless Water. 20 years of investment (249,219.25 GP) applied as principal brings the overall loan to 93000 GP. The son, if granted 30 year terms at 10% interest, will be paying 9793.68 GP back to the Crown along with all other taxes, fees, and scutage. This brings his own overall available expenses to 12093.32. </p><p></p><p>If he is making similar payments on the building of a manor similar to his father's own home would be in deep debt for his lifestyle... However, it is quite possible that the son could make additional investments or trades during his time in the household. If he were to reduce his own household upkeep expenses to that of a more provincial lord (Common upkeep for the family, Poor upkeep for household servants, Basic Stables) he could reduce his overall yearly costs by 8362, allowing him to pay for his Basic Household and pay for a better household with a generational mortgage over a 20 year span if he can pay 1/2 of the overall cost up front. If the family has been invested for generations of calculable growth they would be able to put the money up front for this half, and would probably expect the produce of the fields for the period... There is a reason why it is good to be the High Lord <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />.</p><p></p><p>These costs are, of course, lowered significantly if the new Lord has a way to store his own water; however, this oasis will be difficult enough as-is to keep under wraps without support from other lords. Such a large stake of claim would probably occur not with a single lord, but ten or more lordlings being sent to the region to establish a true holding. Such a holding could be quite useful to a King, as it provides an excellent stable source of income through the taxation/loan, expansion into a new region, and a reliable place to billet troops to go out to the wastelands.</p><p></p><p>Of course these numbers just figure the requirement for crops... Each ten-hold community could be supplied with water from a single decanter with 350+ gallons/person/day.</p><p>_______________________</p><p></p><p>Now we know how much water can be generated for crops, but what if this small holding used <em>Control Weather</em> instead? The spell could cover 2.25 holdings of this type, and we can assume a minimum of 20 castings... Let us also provide Plant Growth to the location (12 castings should do it). </p><p></p><p>To have a Druid available to cast the spells for one year would run 4680 GP just for him to stick around. The actual cost of the spells for a 13th level Druid comes to 18200 GP for the Control Weather effects per 2.25 holdings (80888.88 GP) and 50 overall castings of Plant Growth (19500 GP)... Overall costs of 105068.88 GP. Overall it is cheaper after two generations to take the loan... The rich get richer because they spend their money intelligently.</p><p></p><p>______________________</p><p></p><p>Now, let us figure that a ten-hold area has 3000 inhabitants. A single Decanter of Endless Water can supply the needs of the populace above current water usage levels (144 gallons/person/day)... But if we figure water loss to the canals as we have discussed previously we would approach 100 gallons/person/day, still within the realm of possibility. All waste water will flow through the environment, and over hundreds of years may actually cause the location to become, if not arable, more hospitable to life.</p><p>___________________________</p><p></p><p>So what about fires? A Decanter of Endless Water produces (in geyser mode) 300 gallons/minute of use. This is about as much as a residential fire department's hose... And would serve just as well if the geyser can be mounted and locked to a cart, or the populace uses Aid Another to control the spray and put out a blaze.</p><p>_______________________________________________</p><p></p><p>Overall, the Decanter is a highly useful and world-changing tool. It provides clean, potable water that can terraform a wasteland if given enough time. This also points out the further gap of nobility vs. the lower castes... Our Smith, for example, makes about the same overall wealth, could team up with other smiths and create such a location investing their entire net worth... But they do not have the strength of coin to support their new society without the support of merchants and nobles. </p><p></p><p>It is interesting to see the possibilities that a useful (usually) non-combat item can have for a society. If you would like me to analyze anything specific please feel free to post here and I'll be happy to look it over for you.</p><p></p><p>Slainte,</p><p></p><p>-Loonook.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Loonook, post: 5908899, member: 1861"] [b]Water Water Everywhere...[/b] So I have been looking into one of those civic wonders... The [I]Decanter of Endless Water[/I]. How useful is a Decanter of Endless Water to our small community? The purchase of a Decanter is a bit of an expenditure to our Noble... But it is extremely useful for the purposes of irrigation in the field, supplying fresh/clean water to his subjects, and providing for efficient firefighting. So how do we figure out the overall water needs of our population? Well, first let us see a year's output of a Decanter of Endless Water. A Decanter in its Geyser form produces 300 GpM (Gallons per Minute). This amount gives us the overall output of 432000 Gallons per Day (GpD). This provides [B]1329 Gallons per Day[/B] for every man, woman, and child in the area. That seems like a lot per person... Let us see how much would be left over after our irrigation and possible firefighting. _____ Grow Wheat Grow! So we want to supply our nice little wheat some sweet, delicious water. First I would like to know how much water would be needed to irrigate the entire 2560 acre property for wheat production. I will put an extremely high amount of irrigation as our baseline [URL="http://waterquality.montana.edu/docs/irrigation/100bushel.shtml"](for 100 bushel yields!)[/URL]... which requires timed release of 20 inches of water over the entirety of the property. How many cubic feet of water? An acre is 43 560 square feet, so our overall square footage would come to 111513600 square feet. 20" converts to 1.667 feet, and thus we have 185856000 in perfect conditions. We will also take [URL="http://www.fao.org/docrep/T7202E/t7202e08.htm"]irrigation efficiency[/URL] into account, with a loamy soil providing for 70% efficiency. [LIST] [*]Overall water need: 265508571 Cubic Feet of water. [*]*Gallons per Cubic feet: 7.480 [/LIST] ___ 1986004111.08 gallons. [LIST] [INDENT][*]/432000 GDP[/INDENT] [/LIST] _____ 4597 decanter days. Wheat takes around 120 days to grow, bringing the total to 38 Decanter Days/day. As we can see irrigating the entire area would be impossible with a single decanter... At the least you would need 38 Decanters to irrigate these loamy canals if we do not figure in for off-site storage of water in canals during the 'off season' of wheat (where you would still need a minimum of 13). If we have a drought condition (defined as a period of 15 or more days without any accumulating rainfall) our Decanter could assuage the issue slightly for certain areas, providing water for the crops for the period (and still coming in well within our requirements for our bushel/acre yield). In a location with no real rain your Noble can produce wheat yields for 342000 if only triggering the water for use of wheat during the period. Seems expensive... But creating wheat in a drought-stricken area for 1000 individuals would cost around a generation's worth of full investment into the project by a single noble. Let us say that our Noble's son gains a claim in the middle of a loamy drought area. The Noble decides to invest in his son's wealth, providing 20 years of his investments at a conservative rate to the procuring of Decanters of Endless Water. 20 years of investment (249,219.25 GP) applied as principal brings the overall loan to 93000 GP. The son, if granted 30 year terms at 10% interest, will be paying 9793.68 GP back to the Crown along with all other taxes, fees, and scutage. This brings his own overall available expenses to 12093.32. If he is making similar payments on the building of a manor similar to his father's own home would be in deep debt for his lifestyle... However, it is quite possible that the son could make additional investments or trades during his time in the household. If he were to reduce his own household upkeep expenses to that of a more provincial lord (Common upkeep for the family, Poor upkeep for household servants, Basic Stables) he could reduce his overall yearly costs by 8362, allowing him to pay for his Basic Household and pay for a better household with a generational mortgage over a 20 year span if he can pay 1/2 of the overall cost up front. If the family has been invested for generations of calculable growth they would be able to put the money up front for this half, and would probably expect the produce of the fields for the period... There is a reason why it is good to be the High Lord ;). These costs are, of course, lowered significantly if the new Lord has a way to store his own water; however, this oasis will be difficult enough as-is to keep under wraps without support from other lords. Such a large stake of claim would probably occur not with a single lord, but ten or more lordlings being sent to the region to establish a true holding. Such a holding could be quite useful to a King, as it provides an excellent stable source of income through the taxation/loan, expansion into a new region, and a reliable place to billet troops to go out to the wastelands. Of course these numbers just figure the requirement for crops... Each ten-hold community could be supplied with water from a single decanter with 350+ gallons/person/day. _______________________ Now we know how much water can be generated for crops, but what if this small holding used [I]Control Weather[/I] instead? The spell could cover 2.25 holdings of this type, and we can assume a minimum of 20 castings... Let us also provide Plant Growth to the location (12 castings should do it). To have a Druid available to cast the spells for one year would run 4680 GP just for him to stick around. The actual cost of the spells for a 13th level Druid comes to 18200 GP for the Control Weather effects per 2.25 holdings (80888.88 GP) and 50 overall castings of Plant Growth (19500 GP)... Overall costs of 105068.88 GP. Overall it is cheaper after two generations to take the loan... The rich get richer because they spend their money intelligently. ______________________ Now, let us figure that a ten-hold area has 3000 inhabitants. A single Decanter of Endless Water can supply the needs of the populace above current water usage levels (144 gallons/person/day)... But if we figure water loss to the canals as we have discussed previously we would approach 100 gallons/person/day, still within the realm of possibility. All waste water will flow through the environment, and over hundreds of years may actually cause the location to become, if not arable, more hospitable to life. ___________________________ So what about fires? A Decanter of Endless Water produces (in geyser mode) 300 gallons/minute of use. This is about as much as a residential fire department's hose... And would serve just as well if the geyser can be mounted and locked to a cart, or the populace uses Aid Another to control the spray and put out a blaze. _______________________________________________ Overall, the Decanter is a highly useful and world-changing tool. It provides clean, potable water that can terraform a wasteland if given enough time. This also points out the further gap of nobility vs. the lower castes... Our Smith, for example, makes about the same overall wealth, could team up with other smiths and create such a location investing their entire net worth... But they do not have the strength of coin to support their new society without the support of merchants and nobles. It is interesting to see the possibilities that a useful (usually) non-combat item can have for a society. If you would like me to analyze anything specific please feel free to post here and I'll be happy to look it over for you. Slainte, -Loonook. [/QUOTE]
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