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<blockquote data-quote="Xetheral" data-source="post: 9251762" data-attributes="member: 6802765"><p>I think it doesn't work, and the only reason it looks like it <em>might</em> is because of the unusual conjugation of the verb "cast". To my knowledge, there are no examples in English where a single instance of a verb can simultaneously have multiple tenses, even when the conjugations are identical.</p><p></p><p>Consider a hypothetical where the ability instead modified the Arcane Tricker's Spell Thief ability, and said:</p><p></p><p>"<em>When you hit a creature with a weapon attack, that creature has disadvantage on the next saving throw it makes against a spell you <u>steal</u> before the end of your next turn."</em></p><p></p><p>In this hypothetical it would be obvious from the tense of the verb "steal" that it cannot apply to already-stolen spells. If it was to instead apply to already-stolen spells in addition to spells you steal before the end of your next turn, it would need to use two instances of the word "steal" with different tenses, such as: <em>"...against a spell you <u>have stolen or steal</u> before the end of your next turn."</em></p><p></p><p>Applying the same principle to Eldritch Strike means that to also apply to previously cast spells it would need to use two instances of the verb "cast" with different tenses, such as <em>"...against a spell you <u>have cast or cast</u> before the end of your next turn."</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Xetheral, post: 9251762, member: 6802765"] I think it doesn't work, and the only reason it looks like it [I]might[/I] is because of the unusual conjugation of the verb "cast". To my knowledge, there are no examples in English where a single instance of a verb can simultaneously have multiple tenses, even when the conjugations are identical. Consider a hypothetical where the ability instead modified the Arcane Tricker's Spell Thief ability, and said: "[I]When you hit a creature with a weapon attack, that creature has disadvantage on the next saving throw it makes against a spell you [U]steal[/U] before the end of your next turn."[/I] In this hypothetical it would be obvious from the tense of the verb "steal" that it cannot apply to already-stolen spells. If it was to instead apply to already-stolen spells in addition to spells you steal before the end of your next turn, it would need to use two instances of the word "steal" with different tenses, such as: [I]"...against a spell you [U]have stolen or steal[/U] before the end of your next turn."[/I] Applying the same principle to Eldritch Strike means that to also apply to previously cast spells it would need to use two instances of the verb "cast" with different tenses, such as [I]"...against a spell you [U]have cast or cast[/U] before the end of your next turn."[/I] [/QUOTE]
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