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<blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 2302444" data-attributes="member: 11697"><p>Well the Varrangoin and Shadow Fiends weren't Tanar'ri, nor were Kytons or Bezikira considered Baatezu. There were races of devils and demons of the time seperate from the Baatezu and Tanar'ri. *shrug*</p><p></p><p>I suppose you could go with her being a part of the Abyss that predates the arrival of/creation of the Tanar'ri. After all we had the Ancient Baatorians, so why not something similar for the Abyss (personally I like to think of Abyssal layers, some at least, as being nearly sentient beings of chaos and evil unto themselves).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Millions of years. Maybe more. Since sentient life existed and their thoughts, beliefs and actions gave substance to the outer planes. At whatever age you want to place that at I figure.</p><p></p><p>I mean, in terms of 'ancient' we have beings like the Baernaloths in the Gray Waste that literally stepped out of the plane as it was still forming. You've got the Ancient Baatorians. You've got some of the more primordial denizens of the Abyss like Demogorgon, Pale Night, etc. We've got the rubble strewn across the layer of Pelion/Mithardir in Arborea that suggests a race of outsiders that predates the Eladrin or maybe even made them (and who created The Last Word or 'Dead Gods' fame).</p><p></p><p>I handle this in my own planar campaign as being in the order of millions of years and some of those beings have been around since time zero. When things are walking around who witnessed the birth of the many current gods and those before them even, a thousand years is nothing in the grand scope of it all.</p><p></p><p>My storyhour gives a pretty good take on my feelings on the matter. I delve pretty deep into the past, or my interpretation of it, fiendish and celestial prehistory, early Sigil, etc.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shemeska, post: 2302444, member: 11697"] Well the Varrangoin and Shadow Fiends weren't Tanar'ri, nor were Kytons or Bezikira considered Baatezu. There were races of devils and demons of the time seperate from the Baatezu and Tanar'ri. *shrug* I suppose you could go with her being a part of the Abyss that predates the arrival of/creation of the Tanar'ri. After all we had the Ancient Baatorians, so why not something similar for the Abyss (personally I like to think of Abyssal layers, some at least, as being nearly sentient beings of chaos and evil unto themselves). Millions of years. Maybe more. Since sentient life existed and their thoughts, beliefs and actions gave substance to the outer planes. At whatever age you want to place that at I figure. I mean, in terms of 'ancient' we have beings like the Baernaloths in the Gray Waste that literally stepped out of the plane as it was still forming. You've got the Ancient Baatorians. You've got some of the more primordial denizens of the Abyss like Demogorgon, Pale Night, etc. We've got the rubble strewn across the layer of Pelion/Mithardir in Arborea that suggests a race of outsiders that predates the Eladrin or maybe even made them (and who created The Last Word or 'Dead Gods' fame). I handle this in my own planar campaign as being in the order of millions of years and some of those beings have been around since time zero. When things are walking around who witnessed the birth of the many current gods and those before them even, a thousand years is nothing in the grand scope of it all. My storyhour gives a pretty good take on my feelings on the matter. I delve pretty deep into the past, or my interpretation of it, fiendish and celestial prehistory, early Sigil, etc. [/QUOTE]
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