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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9332038" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>So my 15th level Eldritch Knight with an 8 intelligence is not allowed to cast fireball even though it is a spell he knows? Persuasion is a skill the Barbarian has a score in.</p><p></p><p>If my Wizard gets grappled is he allowed to try to escape (no proficiency in Athletics or Acrobatics) .... to pull on this thread even more - does a grapple or shove attempt automatically succeed since he has no proficiency and therefore can't make a check to resist?</p><p></p><p>Is my 20 strength raging Barbarian who gets advantage on athletics checks allowed to even make athletics checks if he is not proficient?</p><p></p><p>Performance and Persuasion are both skills the Barbarian has scores in. He should be able to make a check. If the tavern is burning down and the Barbarian tells one of the fleeing patrons to grab a bucket of water (instead of just running) he should have a <u>chance</u> at being successful.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have seen that happen in games I played but I would argue it is far less common than allowing any character to make a check and in official WOTC products I can't recall a single time skill proficiency was required for a skill check.</p><p></p><p>The skill system in 5E is designed around 2 components - ability score and proficiency bonus. So yes someone might know who the god of war is even if they do not have religion proficiency and if they are learned in general (high intelligence), they have a better chance of knowing that. But even the guy with a 6 Intelligence might have heard someone talking about it in the bar last night.</p><p></p><p>The way the skill system is designed, the DC is the gatekeeper for skill checks and a very high DC will flat prevent some characters from passing, even on a natural 20.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9332038, member: 7030563"] So my 15th level Eldritch Knight with an 8 intelligence is not allowed to cast fireball even though it is a spell he knows? Persuasion is a skill the Barbarian has a score in. If my Wizard gets grappled is he allowed to try to escape (no proficiency in Athletics or Acrobatics) .... to pull on this thread even more - does a grapple or shove attempt automatically succeed since he has no proficiency and therefore can't make a check to resist? Is my 20 strength raging Barbarian who gets advantage on athletics checks allowed to even make athletics checks if he is not proficient? Performance and Persuasion are both skills the Barbarian has scores in. He should be able to make a check. If the tavern is burning down and the Barbarian tells one of the fleeing patrons to grab a bucket of water (instead of just running) he should have a [U]chance[/U] at being successful. I have seen that happen in games I played but I would argue it is far less common than allowing any character to make a check and in official WOTC products I can't recall a single time skill proficiency was required for a skill check. The skill system in 5E is designed around 2 components - ability score and proficiency bonus. So yes someone might know who the god of war is even if they do not have religion proficiency and if they are learned in general (high intelligence), they have a better chance of knowing that. But even the guy with a 6 Intelligence might have heard someone talking about it in the bar last night. The way the skill system is designed, the DC is the gatekeeper for skill checks and a very high DC will flat prevent some characters from passing, even on a natural 20. [/QUOTE]
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