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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6213147" data-attributes="member: 177"><p>I'm establishing a point of logic. I had an end that was (I think) a good one. And a means that has something bad attached to it. No, it isn't as severe a case as Bullgrit was originally raising, but that's intentional - I'm eliminating a goodly amount of emotional baggage associated with severe cases, and looking at a minor case. This is to determine if we can find at least one case where a good end justified a means that had badness in it.</p><p></p><p>Once we establish that, we aren't looking at all-or-nothing. We are looking at a sliding scale - a given end will justify some means, but not others, and we get to quibble over the moral value of a given end or means.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well that's an extreme, and pretty hypothetical case, isn't it? Absolutes like "never" are unforgiving, to say the least. As a practical matter, such a person probably either needs to become amoral, not caring about any justification for anything, or accept that they'll live a life full of moral wrongs they commit and can never make up for. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That says that the end they desire does not justify killing other people. But the end they desire *does* justify killing themselves.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 6213147, member: 177"] I'm establishing a point of logic. I had an end that was (I think) a good one. And a means that has something bad attached to it. No, it isn't as severe a case as Bullgrit was originally raising, but that's intentional - I'm eliminating a goodly amount of emotional baggage associated with severe cases, and looking at a minor case. This is to determine if we can find at least one case where a good end justified a means that had badness in it. Once we establish that, we aren't looking at all-or-nothing. We are looking at a sliding scale - a given end will justify some means, but not others, and we get to quibble over the moral value of a given end or means. Well that's an extreme, and pretty hypothetical case, isn't it? Absolutes like "never" are unforgiving, to say the least. As a practical matter, such a person probably either needs to become amoral, not caring about any justification for anything, or accept that they'll live a life full of moral wrongs they commit and can never make up for. That says that the end they desire does not justify killing other people. But the end they desire *does* justify killing themselves. [/QUOTE]
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