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<blockquote data-quote="Beefermatic" data-source="post: 8668672" data-attributes="member: 6670757"><p>What I don't understand is why you'd expect tech gear to not give an edge. Like it seems you think a barbarian in leathers and a battered breastplate made of hammered iron should have equivalent ac as a space age being in state of the art armor lightyears ahead of anything we have today with multiple layers of stacking defense. Which, makes no sense. The stuff they're using are slightly modified versions of stuff literally found in D20 Future Tech. I mean they're in fully PL9+ gear. Many of which stack and are quite powerful at higher progress levels.</p><p></p><p>Here's the breakdown of their AC: They have the Dodge feat and a +10 Nat AC, also a +2 dex bonus. They have +8 Armor Bonus to AC for their Ceramic Breastplate which is enchanted to +4 but provides less basic protection from attacks than other Armor as its much lighter, they have a +2 Deflection bonus to AC from their Telekinetic Shield which takes their Shield slot but requires no hands to use, they get a +2 Shield bonus to ac for their black hole shield which is a device and requires no slots, and finally the get a +8 Dodge bonus to AC from their Psychoactive Armor which is another device and also doesn't take up slots.</p><p></p><p>I also deliberately gave them no class levels, opting instead to give them Monstrous Humanoid levels as fighter would have boosted this number up higher still, and Combat Trained, the original class I planed to give them, the same class the Hyperborean: Kit has, grants a +1 defensive bonus every level, aka a +1 AC, and though I could have added any number of magic items to them, probably boosting their ac to 50 ish easily, I didn't do that as I do ultimately want these to be beatable, but I'm certainly not going to put these against a non spacefaring party, any of these items, as most of their power comes from items, would be usable, if not slightly weaker, by party members who happen to kill the Spraug and loot it's corpse. So caution would be needed, just as a dragon with their hoard would need to be cautiously handled as their hoard unless filled with copper pieces is going to provide the party with an endless supply of gold and a huge quantity of magic items.</p><p></p><p>So I'm not sure what you want. I altered their CR to 17, literally wish casting wizard levels, even though they're level 10, and went out of my way to minimize their power given what it could have been. All I'm hearing are complaints, which I think sucks, as other than just making the tech not exist, I'm not seeing a solution.</p><p></p><p>We make these things for everyone's enjoyment, not to deal with literally pure criticism.</p><p></p><p>I might have a few issues with some of Oblys creative decisions, and ask questions, even argue if if think something is broken, but I always appreciate his work and give it a like and listen to his reasoning for why he makes things a certain way or not and ultimately go with his approach.</p><p></p><p>If you don't like it or don't appreciate it, don't use it. Simple as that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Beefermatic, post: 8668672, member: 6670757"] What I don't understand is why you'd expect tech gear to not give an edge. Like it seems you think a barbarian in leathers and a battered breastplate made of hammered iron should have equivalent ac as a space age being in state of the art armor lightyears ahead of anything we have today with multiple layers of stacking defense. Which, makes no sense. The stuff they're using are slightly modified versions of stuff literally found in D20 Future Tech. I mean they're in fully PL9+ gear. Many of which stack and are quite powerful at higher progress levels. Here's the breakdown of their AC: They have the Dodge feat and a +10 Nat AC, also a +2 dex bonus. They have +8 Armor Bonus to AC for their Ceramic Breastplate which is enchanted to +4 but provides less basic protection from attacks than other Armor as its much lighter, they have a +2 Deflection bonus to AC from their Telekinetic Shield which takes their Shield slot but requires no hands to use, they get a +2 Shield bonus to ac for their black hole shield which is a device and requires no slots, and finally the get a +8 Dodge bonus to AC from their Psychoactive Armor which is another device and also doesn't take up slots. I also deliberately gave them no class levels, opting instead to give them Monstrous Humanoid levels as fighter would have boosted this number up higher still, and Combat Trained, the original class I planed to give them, the same class the Hyperborean: Kit has, grants a +1 defensive bonus every level, aka a +1 AC, and though I could have added any number of magic items to them, probably boosting their ac to 50 ish easily, I didn't do that as I do ultimately want these to be beatable, but I'm certainly not going to put these against a non spacefaring party, any of these items, as most of their power comes from items, would be usable, if not slightly weaker, by party members who happen to kill the Spraug and loot it's corpse. So caution would be needed, just as a dragon with their hoard would need to be cautiously handled as their hoard unless filled with copper pieces is going to provide the party with an endless supply of gold and a huge quantity of magic items. So I'm not sure what you want. I altered their CR to 17, literally wish casting wizard levels, even though they're level 10, and went out of my way to minimize their power given what it could have been. All I'm hearing are complaints, which I think sucks, as other than just making the tech not exist, I'm not seeing a solution. We make these things for everyone's enjoyment, not to deal with literally pure criticism. I might have a few issues with some of Oblys creative decisions, and ask questions, even argue if if think something is broken, but I always appreciate his work and give it a like and listen to his reasoning for why he makes things a certain way or not and ultimately go with his approach. If you don't like it or don't appreciate it, don't use it. Simple as that. [/QUOTE]
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