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<blockquote data-quote="Taronkov" data-source="post: 6536406" data-attributes="member: 6781208"><p>Ok I'm just going to go out there and post a little quote I found...</p><p></p><p>"Everything a player needs to create heroic characters for the world's greatest roleplaying game"</p><p></p><p>So I'm going to emphasize where it says HEROIC characters there. Also for the record this was taken from the cover of the PHB, the book that you know... defines the edition. And really unless you are playing an evil character you are always going to be a hero. I mean I can't think of to many people that would be out adventuring that aren't hero's or are looking to become hero's. Unless maybe you play a game about being a farmer and maybe fending off the occasional raid. Otherwise you will always, always in any game I've ever played, ran, seen, or heard of end up going out and killing monsters that no normal, non-heroic person would ever conceive of doing. Also how does it require PC knowledge? Why should you assume the dragon won't kill you? I sure assumed it would kill me if I messed with it. So you know what I did? I didn't mess with it. We got people under cover and kept them away from the dragon. </p><p></p><p>And how is there no potential gain? So the start of the adventure you're somewhere, somewhere around Greenest or at the very least heading through it. Unless you are just a wandering bunch of evil marauders(why are you even looking at this adventure you evil, non heroic marauder you) then there is a good chance you have a vested interest in some sort of capacity, to find out why there is an evil force burning villages to the ground, looting them for everything they're worth and has a dragon to back them up. </p><p></p><p>And finally your point about it being suicidal... You don't know about dragons or at least without a proper background your character doesn't, seems to me it would be out of game knowledge to think you have no chance against a dragon. Why can't the town militia, with some proper organization, drive it off? Maybe all they need is the help of some HEROIC adventurers to come along and get them organized(see what I did right there?).</p><p></p><p>We all get it, you had a terrible experience with Greenest in Flames and don't get me wrong it has flaws. That said, it's not a bad adventure by any means necessary. Should it have been the first published adventure? Probably not, it has way to much going on for trying to get new people into the game that don't have prior experience. Especially since it was written before all the rules were finalized. But if it came out now, after people have had time to learn the system, after maybe a slightly less world shaking event to get people to learn the system, I think you would find that most people's complaints would disappear.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Taronkov, post: 6536406, member: 6781208"] Ok I'm just going to go out there and post a little quote I found... "Everything a player needs to create heroic characters for the world's greatest roleplaying game" So I'm going to emphasize where it says HEROIC characters there. Also for the record this was taken from the cover of the PHB, the book that you know... defines the edition. And really unless you are playing an evil character you are always going to be a hero. I mean I can't think of to many people that would be out adventuring that aren't hero's or are looking to become hero's. Unless maybe you play a game about being a farmer and maybe fending off the occasional raid. Otherwise you will always, always in any game I've ever played, ran, seen, or heard of end up going out and killing monsters that no normal, non-heroic person would ever conceive of doing. Also how does it require PC knowledge? Why should you assume the dragon won't kill you? I sure assumed it would kill me if I messed with it. So you know what I did? I didn't mess with it. We got people under cover and kept them away from the dragon. And how is there no potential gain? So the start of the adventure you're somewhere, somewhere around Greenest or at the very least heading through it. Unless you are just a wandering bunch of evil marauders(why are you even looking at this adventure you evil, non heroic marauder you) then there is a good chance you have a vested interest in some sort of capacity, to find out why there is an evil force burning villages to the ground, looting them for everything they're worth and has a dragon to back them up. And finally your point about it being suicidal... You don't know about dragons or at least without a proper background your character doesn't, seems to me it would be out of game knowledge to think you have no chance against a dragon. Why can't the town militia, with some proper organization, drive it off? Maybe all they need is the help of some HEROIC adventurers to come along and get them organized(see what I did right there?). We all get it, you had a terrible experience with Greenest in Flames and don't get me wrong it has flaws. That said, it's not a bad adventure by any means necessary. Should it have been the first published adventure? Probably not, it has way to much going on for trying to get new people into the game that don't have prior experience. Especially since it was written before all the rules were finalized. But if it came out now, after people have had time to learn the system, after maybe a slightly less world shaking event to get people to learn the system, I think you would find that most people's complaints would disappear. [/QUOTE]
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