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<blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 5528550" data-attributes="member: 326"><p>What I recall happening from experience was that even when you got to be the legendary heroes of that generation, someone like Orcus (or Graz'zt) who had conquered multiple prime material worlds (or certainly multiple countries/empires) would of course have their own bands of 'heroes' to call upon.</p><p></p><p>So Orcus would likely have several teams of epic level adventurers working for him. Same thing with deities.</p><p></p><p>But I think one of the flaws with the 4E (Epic) Adventure Path series is that the designers are sort of metagaming rather than coming up with story based conceits as to how the PCs were not powerful enough to deal with the BBEG a few days ago...but miraculously they are now. Orcus would have been better served not throwing any underlings at the PCs and just had a set of runway lights to his final desination. </p><p></p><p>Whereas Savage Tide acknowledges the PCs probably cannot defeat Demogorgon directly so they need allies, artifacts and to undertake quests to weaken Demogorgon first. That to me makes more sense.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Upper_Krust, post: 5528550, member: 326"] What I recall happening from experience was that even when you got to be the legendary heroes of that generation, someone like Orcus (or Graz'zt) who had conquered multiple prime material worlds (or certainly multiple countries/empires) would of course have their own bands of 'heroes' to call upon. So Orcus would likely have several teams of epic level adventurers working for him. Same thing with deities. But I think one of the flaws with the 4E (Epic) Adventure Path series is that the designers are sort of metagaming rather than coming up with story based conceits as to how the PCs were not powerful enough to deal with the BBEG a few days ago...but miraculously they are now. Orcus would have been better served not throwing any underlings at the PCs and just had a set of runway lights to his final desination. Whereas Savage Tide acknowledges the PCs probably cannot defeat Demogorgon directly so they need allies, artifacts and to undertake quests to weaken Demogorgon first. That to me makes more sense. [/QUOTE]
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