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<blockquote data-quote="MechaPilot" data-source="post: 7721648" data-attributes="member: 82779"><p>I'm sorry but I just can't agree to that. The time it takes to find a rule in a book has no relation to how deep, involved, or otherwise complicated that rule is. Equating the time required to find the rule with the complexity of the rule would be like saying turning a computer on would be insanely complicated if "press the power button" were buried in the book and took five minutes to search for. To me, it's a nonsensical assertion that crumbles under the wispiest of scrutiny.</p><p></p><p>As for the player aborting the choice when he learned the steps, what's wrong with that? A 3e grapple has three hurdles in front of it, and failing any one of those hurdles results in the whole thing failing. That means it has a chance of succeeding that's FAR lower than a choice that requires a single roll. I love doing creative things in combat, but if a DM or a system makes doing those things substantially harder than just basically attacking (especially if there is no increased benefit for succeeding at the more difficult to achieve task) then I'm going to take the simple option every time.</p><p></p><p>Except for characters that were specifically built to be grapplers, with a full tree of grappling-related feats, it's something I've never seen anyone do more than once in 3e, and that's explicitly because of all the hoops you have to jump through to do it. From my experience, and in my opinion, the 3e grappling rules were bad rules that actively disincentivized players from choosing to have their characters grapple their enemies (unless they specifically built their characters for that purpose).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Neat.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MechaPilot, post: 7721648, member: 82779"] I'm sorry but I just can't agree to that. The time it takes to find a rule in a book has no relation to how deep, involved, or otherwise complicated that rule is. Equating the time required to find the rule with the complexity of the rule would be like saying turning a computer on would be insanely complicated if "press the power button" were buried in the book and took five minutes to search for. To me, it's a nonsensical assertion that crumbles under the wispiest of scrutiny. As for the player aborting the choice when he learned the steps, what's wrong with that? A 3e grapple has three hurdles in front of it, and failing any one of those hurdles results in the whole thing failing. That means it has a chance of succeeding that's FAR lower than a choice that requires a single roll. I love doing creative things in combat, but if a DM or a system makes doing those things substantially harder than just basically attacking (especially if there is no increased benefit for succeeding at the more difficult to achieve task) then I'm going to take the simple option every time. Except for characters that were specifically built to be grapplers, with a full tree of grappling-related feats, it's something I've never seen anyone do more than once in 3e, and that's explicitly because of all the hoops you have to jump through to do it. From my experience, and in my opinion, the 3e grappling rules were bad rules that actively disincentivized players from choosing to have their characters grapple their enemies (unless they specifically built their characters for that purpose). Neat. [/QUOTE]
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