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<blockquote data-quote="Imaculata" data-source="post: 7750734" data-attributes="member: 6801286"><p>I think we are discussing multiple degrees of severity in cheating here. Umbran seems to argue that getting a saving throw wrong every now and then, should not mean the ending of a friendship. It's simply not that important. And he's not wrong.</p><p></p><p>But I think Maxperson is talking about people who deliberately and consistently cheat, thus ruining other people's fun. I've played with someone like that, and it really undermines the game. Someone who constantly rolls his dice hidden from everyone's view (and wouldn't you know it, he rolled a crit again!), or uses personal dice that have a suspiciously high success rate. After a while you just don't want to play with that person any more.</p><p></p><p>Because it not only ruins the fun of the DM, but it also makes the other players feel less heroic. You'll have this one player who never rolls a 1, and never fails a check. As if failing an athletics check or perception check every now and then is the end of the world. I just don't get players like that. When you see the DM and your fellow players all be completely fine with their mishaps, and for some reason you still feel the need to cheat. Like you have to be the very best of the group at everything. So as you can probably tell, I have definitely kicked a player like that from my group once.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Imaculata, post: 7750734, member: 6801286"] I think we are discussing multiple degrees of severity in cheating here. Umbran seems to argue that getting a saving throw wrong every now and then, should not mean the ending of a friendship. It's simply not that important. And he's not wrong. But I think Maxperson is talking about people who deliberately and consistently cheat, thus ruining other people's fun. I've played with someone like that, and it really undermines the game. Someone who constantly rolls his dice hidden from everyone's view (and wouldn't you know it, he rolled a crit again!), or uses personal dice that have a suspiciously high success rate. After a while you just don't want to play with that person any more. Because it not only ruins the fun of the DM, but it also makes the other players feel less heroic. You'll have this one player who never rolls a 1, and never fails a check. As if failing an athletics check or perception check every now and then is the end of the world. I just don't get players like that. When you see the DM and your fellow players all be completely fine with their mishaps, and for some reason you still feel the need to cheat. Like you have to be the very best of the group at everything. So as you can probably tell, I have definitely kicked a player like that from my group once. [/QUOTE]
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