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<blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 7753502" data-attributes="member: 5142"><p>How do you not see this as a fallacy of circular reasoning? And this is the sort of circular reasoning that "the GM cannot cheat" relies upon to perpetuate itself. </p><p></p><p>Players: "You're cheating!" </p><p></p><p>GM: "I'm not cheating; I'm fudging." </p><p></p><p>Player: "What's fudging?" </p><p></p><p>GM: "It's when I lie and respond dishonestly about dice results and mechanics." </p><p></p><p>Players: "How is that not cheating?" </p><p></p><p>GM: "The rules permit me to cheat." </p><p></p><p>Players: "So if you are permitted to cheat, then you can cheat?" </p><p></p><p>GM: "Yes, but I am authorized to cheat." </p><p></p><p>Players: "So you are cheating?!"</p><p></p><p>GM: "No, because I can cheat." or even "No, because I cannot cheat." </p><p></p><p>Players: /facepalm </p><p></p><p>The GM just shifts the goal posts as convenient to excuse and justify their actions. </p><p></p><p>If you are authorized to cheat and then engage in that act, then I would say that, yes, you are still cheating. Being authorized to do something so does not erase the nature of the act. Your parents may have let you cheat when they were playing Monopoly with you, but you would still have been cheating, no? </p><p></p><p>If you want to cheat to make a more enjoyable game for everyone, then that's fine. But I would appreciate if GMs would be honest about the fact that they are cheating and not just hiding behind duplicitous doublespeak and the pretext of Rule 0 to do it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aldarc, post: 7753502, member: 5142"] How do you not see this as a fallacy of circular reasoning? And this is the sort of circular reasoning that "the GM cannot cheat" relies upon to perpetuate itself. Players: "You're cheating!" GM: "I'm not cheating; I'm fudging." Player: "What's fudging?" GM: "It's when I lie and respond dishonestly about dice results and mechanics." Players: "How is that not cheating?" GM: "The rules permit me to cheat." Players: "So if you are permitted to cheat, then you can cheat?" GM: "Yes, but I am authorized to cheat." Players: "So you are cheating?!" GM: "No, because I can cheat." or even "No, because I cannot cheat." Players: /facepalm The GM just shifts the goal posts as convenient to excuse and justify their actions. If you are authorized to cheat and then engage in that act, then I would say that, yes, you are still cheating. Being authorized to do something so does not erase the nature of the act. Your parents may have let you cheat when they were playing Monopoly with you, but you would still have been cheating, no? If you want to cheat to make a more enjoyable game for everyone, then that's fine. But I would appreciate if GMs would be honest about the fact that they are cheating and not just hiding behind duplicitous doublespeak and the pretext of Rule 0 to do it. [/QUOTE]
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