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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 7753731" data-attributes="member: 177"><p>For several reasons. Some larger than others. </p><p></p><p>F'rex, small one - if Gygax did it back then, then the thing has nothing to do with White Wolf. It means that invoking While Wolf in this regard (which will perforce also bring up any associations the audience has with those games) is misleading.</p><p></p><p>The most important reason to my mind at the moment is that doing so keeps the discussion honest. It is a significant and relevant item, and ignoring it while analyzing his statements on the subject will yield flawed results. Cherry-picking will do that, as we all know. When I see folks explicitly taking this in hand, and making it a consistent part of the philosophy that comes out of the analysis, then I'll feel no need to mention it. </p><p></p><p>It is all well and good to say that Gygax supported "skilled play", and that he had a notion that he had a notion of "precepts fo the game". He *ALSO* said that, all that theorycraft notwithstanding, there will be times you'll want to do this other thing, and that's totally within your rights and okay. </p><p></p><p>Which is a good thing - because, to be honest, by modern standards, his experience with RPGs at the time he wrote his various advice was limited - it had to be, because RPGs were new at the time. That leaves his thoughts heavily influenced by selection bias. Maybe they speak to the author's intent for things up through 1e, but not much more than that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 7753731, member: 177"] For several reasons. Some larger than others. F'rex, small one - if Gygax did it back then, then the thing has nothing to do with White Wolf. It means that invoking While Wolf in this regard (which will perforce also bring up any associations the audience has with those games) is misleading. The most important reason to my mind at the moment is that doing so keeps the discussion honest. It is a significant and relevant item, and ignoring it while analyzing his statements on the subject will yield flawed results. Cherry-picking will do that, as we all know. When I see folks explicitly taking this in hand, and making it a consistent part of the philosophy that comes out of the analysis, then I'll feel no need to mention it. It is all well and good to say that Gygax supported "skilled play", and that he had a notion that he had a notion of "precepts fo the game". He *ALSO* said that, all that theorycraft notwithstanding, there will be times you'll want to do this other thing, and that's totally within your rights and okay. Which is a good thing - because, to be honest, by modern standards, his experience with RPGs at the time he wrote his various advice was limited - it had to be, because RPGs were new at the time. That leaves his thoughts heavily influenced by selection bias. Maybe they speak to the author's intent for things up through 1e, but not much more than that. [/QUOTE]
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