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<blockquote data-quote="Ilbranteloth" data-source="post: 7753934" data-attributes="member: 6778044"><p>So I've mentioned several times that I really don't care what Gygax wrote, or any of the later books. I only really care what works for us at our table.</p><p></p><p>Having said that, I think that the White Wolf "golden rule" arose out of the play styles of the day. Just like we still debate the nature and methods of play today, so they did then. The golden rule didn't arise out of nothing, and frankly if it did I think it wouldn't have taken hold anyway. If the prevailing style of play was strictly by the rules, and no fudging allowed, and the focus was on skilled play, then I highly doubt the golden rule would have arisen, and I don't think it would have been written into any rule books. There must have been a receptive audience for that message to start, and I think that's because the message was largely consistent with what we already knew about playing the game. It was just more considered and a more fully developed explanation.</p><p></p><p>Skilled play is a bit of a moving target I think, too. What do you consider skilled play? Is min/maxing skilled play? How do you measure the skill of role-playing? Why would you measure skilled play at all? Again, I get that when you have a tournament, that it's fun to compare how your group did compared to others. But are they really measuring skilled play (unless you're talking about who got the farthest the fastest? Don't most people talk about the cool things that happened, rather than focus on things like mechanics? Isn't the "winner" in these comparisons usually the one that comes up with a more creative approach or resolution? Is having a 3-hour immersive interaction with the king skilled play even if there were no rules engaged or dice thrown?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ilbranteloth, post: 7753934, member: 6778044"] So I've mentioned several times that I really don't care what Gygax wrote, or any of the later books. I only really care what works for us at our table. Having said that, I think that the White Wolf "golden rule" arose out of the play styles of the day. Just like we still debate the nature and methods of play today, so they did then. The golden rule didn't arise out of nothing, and frankly if it did I think it wouldn't have taken hold anyway. If the prevailing style of play was strictly by the rules, and no fudging allowed, and the focus was on skilled play, then I highly doubt the golden rule would have arisen, and I don't think it would have been written into any rule books. There must have been a receptive audience for that message to start, and I think that's because the message was largely consistent with what we already knew about playing the game. It was just more considered and a more fully developed explanation. Skilled play is a bit of a moving target I think, too. What do you consider skilled play? Is min/maxing skilled play? How do you measure the skill of role-playing? Why would you measure skilled play at all? Again, I get that when you have a tournament, that it's fun to compare how your group did compared to others. But are they really measuring skilled play (unless you're talking about who got the farthest the fastest? Don't most people talk about the cool things that happened, rather than focus on things like mechanics? Isn't the "winner" in these comparisons usually the one that comes up with a more creative approach or resolution? Is having a 3-hour immersive interaction with the king skilled play even if there were no rules engaged or dice thrown? [/QUOTE]
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