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<blockquote data-quote="Wik" data-source="post: 3894423" data-attributes="member: 40177"><p>I'm just giving the info in terms of damage. And it's right - a barbarian can outdamage the paladin, and a rage is core to the barbarian, while smite is peripheral to the paladin.</p><p></p><p>I just don't think smites are really much better than a barbarian's rage in terms of damage - the paladin is always worse in damage with a smite. And, even without rage and smite, I think the barbarian would win out. Higher Hit Dice, no huge ability drain (so higher combat attributes), more skills, mobility (granted, a lower AC, but by much, since the barbarian should be able to put some more points into Dex), defensive traits... whereas the paladin has some piddly spells, a few save auras, and a horse that really doesn't come into play too often. </p><p></p><p>As for the ability thing - I was just doing it to show how they function in a level playing field. In reality, the barbarian will do much more damage - multiple attacks per round (any round you smite, you only get one) while ragin, and the fact that barbarians don't need to put points into Wisdom and Charisma. Really, Smite is BY FAR weaker than Rage. But we know that. Point is, it never gets better. </p><p></p><p>I dunno. I just noticed that when you said that paladins deal ridiculous amounts of damage at high levels, I'd pop up and cry "foul". That extra +10, +20, or whatever is nothing compared to a raging barbarian. </p><p></p><p>And, yeah, I realize you're in defence of the feat. I just get carried away sometimes. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wik, post: 3894423, member: 40177"] I'm just giving the info in terms of damage. And it's right - a barbarian can outdamage the paladin, and a rage is core to the barbarian, while smite is peripheral to the paladin. I just don't think smites are really much better than a barbarian's rage in terms of damage - the paladin is always worse in damage with a smite. And, even without rage and smite, I think the barbarian would win out. Higher Hit Dice, no huge ability drain (so higher combat attributes), more skills, mobility (granted, a lower AC, but by much, since the barbarian should be able to put some more points into Dex), defensive traits... whereas the paladin has some piddly spells, a few save auras, and a horse that really doesn't come into play too often. As for the ability thing - I was just doing it to show how they function in a level playing field. In reality, the barbarian will do much more damage - multiple attacks per round (any round you smite, you only get one) while ragin, and the fact that barbarians don't need to put points into Wisdom and Charisma. Really, Smite is BY FAR weaker than Rage. But we know that. Point is, it never gets better. I dunno. I just noticed that when you said that paladins deal ridiculous amounts of damage at high levels, I'd pop up and cry "foul". That extra +10, +20, or whatever is nothing compared to a raging barbarian. And, yeah, I realize you're in defence of the feat. I just get carried away sometimes. ;) [/QUOTE]
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