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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7197311" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>Not so much the good saves, no. Your best possible save - proficient, with your primary stat adding, so, for instance STR saves for a fighter - about tracks save DCs. So when you're +5 at low level 9 (16-17 post-racial stat & +2 prof), and rolling vs DCs of 13, you save on an 8, and, when you're very high level, and +11 (20 stat +6 Prof) vs DCs of 19, you're still saving on an 8. Nuth'n - a 4e-style treadmill, just on a lower speed.</p><p>All your other saves get worse. That proficient-but-tertiary-stat save (10 stat +2 prof) that needed an 11 before, now needs a 13 (10 stat +6 prof), that non-proficient, second-high-priority stat that needed an 11 (14 stat, +2 vs 13), now maybe needs a 15 (18 stat, +4 vs 19), that non-proficient (0) dump-stat (-1) save needed a 14, now needs a 20. </p><p></p><p> The decision of which save to force makes a bigger impact. If a caster targets an enemy's worst save, it's virtually guaranteed, best and it's still got the same shot it probably had at 1st level. The DM can decide which saves to target with what, and thus bring down the PC who's too big for his britches. That kinda thing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7197311, member: 996"] Not so much the good saves, no. Your best possible save - proficient, with your primary stat adding, so, for instance STR saves for a fighter - about tracks save DCs. So when you're +5 at low level 9 (16-17 post-racial stat & +2 prof), and rolling vs DCs of 13, you save on an 8, and, when you're very high level, and +11 (20 stat +6 Prof) vs DCs of 19, you're still saving on an 8. Nuth'n - a 4e-style treadmill, just on a lower speed. All your other saves get worse. That proficient-but-tertiary-stat save (10 stat +2 prof) that needed an 11 before, now needs a 13 (10 stat +6 prof), that non-proficient, second-high-priority stat that needed an 11 (14 stat, +2 vs 13), now maybe needs a 15 (18 stat, +4 vs 19), that non-proficient (0) dump-stat (-1) save needed a 14, now needs a 20. The decision of which save to force makes a bigger impact. If a caster targets an enemy's worst save, it's virtually guaranteed, best and it's still got the same shot it probably had at 1st level. The DM can decide which saves to target with what, and thus bring down the PC who's too big for his britches. That kinda thing. [/QUOTE]
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