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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 7197367" data-attributes="member: 6787650"><p>Best possible save far outpaces save DCs. In the extreme case, and neglecting magic items and epic boons/etc., you get +5 (ability) + 6 (proficiency) + 5 (aura of protection) + d4 (Bless) + d12 (Bardic Inspiration) with advantage (Circle of Power or Foresight) and an extra die usable retroactively (Lucky) plus a reroll on a failure (Diamond Soul or Indomitable). That's +16+d4+d12 which beats DC 35 more than 50% of the time even before you count advantage, lucky, or rerolls. If you count those, success rate against DC 35 is 99%.</p><p></p><p>Getting your save DC up to 35 would be much, much harder.</p><p></p><p>It's analytically wrong for people to look only at proficiency and then conclude that non-proficient saves don't scale at all at high level. In fact you get better at mitigating all manner of effects which grant a saving throw, especially in a party context. Sometimes those mitigations even come by way of increased saving throw bonuses.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 7197367, member: 6787650"] Best possible save far outpaces save DCs. In the extreme case, and neglecting magic items and epic boons/etc., you get +5 (ability) + 6 (proficiency) + 5 (aura of protection) + d4 (Bless) + d12 (Bardic Inspiration) with advantage (Circle of Power or Foresight) and an extra die usable retroactively (Lucky) plus a reroll on a failure (Diamond Soul or Indomitable). That's +16+d4+d12 which beats DC 35 more than 50% of the time even before you count advantage, lucky, or rerolls. If you count those, success rate against DC 35 is 99%. Getting your save DC up to 35 would be much, much harder. It's analytically wrong for people to look only at proficiency and then conclude that non-proficient saves don't scale at all at high level. In fact you get better at mitigating all manner of effects which grant a saving throw, especially in a party context. Sometimes those mitigations even come by way of increased saving throw bonuses. [/QUOTE]
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