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<blockquote data-quote="fusangite" data-source="post: 3584535" data-attributes="member: 7240"><p>I think that worlds where the laws of cause and effect are completely different, depending on whether the PCs are watching are worlds of postmodern, solipsistic excess that I want no part of. </p><p></p><p>While I agree that a physics is possible that works one way when a special person or special people are watching is possible and differently when they are not, I think that without a substantial justification, such worlds don't hang together or permit suspension of disbelief. For suspension of disbelief to be possible in such a world, there needs to be an explanation of why the PCs are so special that the very laws of cause and effect are altered by their mere presence. If I ran such a game, a big part of it would be about the PCs figuring out or in some way addressing why the universe operated by one set of laws when they were there and a completely different set when they were not. Is the universe the PCs' dream? Are they really minor deities who don't know it? Some kind of explanation along those lines would be necessary for such a universe to be anything other than a pile of incoherent solipsism.Applied physics is about creating simplified abstractions of more complex rules. We use use Newtonian gravitation in our day-to-day modeling even though we know that it is an approximation, and one inferior to Einstein's approximation at that. We do so out of concern for practicality, speed, etc. Game rules are no different. </p><p></p><p>All practical physics, like all game rules, are convenient approximations generally reflective of a model. The question is: what model are they reflecting?My favourite moments in sci-fi and fantasy are the moments when what is going on on screen is made consistent with an overarching reality rather than being an independent mini-universe operating orthogonally. Buffy is a good example: the characters' job in the show is to investigate what is going on around them and draw conclusions from it and so, over time, they notice their reality is working a little differently. They remark on how Dawn seems to get into trouble on Tuesdays. Minor characters remark on the high fatality rates of their high school sports teams. The school paper published obituaries. </p><p></p><p>TV shows where what happens on screen is totally inconsistent with the universe in which it is situated are shows I turn off.I think it is a mistake to assume that our physics is the only possible system of physics capable of producing our tech.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, I said I was going to retire from this thread so now I really will this time. Sorry to stomp off but I am feeling very repetitive.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fusangite, post: 3584535, member: 7240"] I think that worlds where the laws of cause and effect are completely different, depending on whether the PCs are watching are worlds of postmodern, solipsistic excess that I want no part of. While I agree that a physics is possible that works one way when a special person or special people are watching is possible and differently when they are not, I think that without a substantial justification, such worlds don't hang together or permit suspension of disbelief. For suspension of disbelief to be possible in such a world, there needs to be an explanation of why the PCs are so special that the very laws of cause and effect are altered by their mere presence. If I ran such a game, a big part of it would be about the PCs figuring out or in some way addressing why the universe operated by one set of laws when they were there and a completely different set when they were not. Is the universe the PCs' dream? Are they really minor deities who don't know it? Some kind of explanation along those lines would be necessary for such a universe to be anything other than a pile of incoherent solipsism.Applied physics is about creating simplified abstractions of more complex rules. We use use Newtonian gravitation in our day-to-day modeling even though we know that it is an approximation, and one inferior to Einstein's approximation at that. We do so out of concern for practicality, speed, etc. Game rules are no different. All practical physics, like all game rules, are convenient approximations generally reflective of a model. The question is: what model are they reflecting?My favourite moments in sci-fi and fantasy are the moments when what is going on on screen is made consistent with an overarching reality rather than being an independent mini-universe operating orthogonally. Buffy is a good example: the characters' job in the show is to investigate what is going on around them and draw conclusions from it and so, over time, they notice their reality is working a little differently. They remark on how Dawn seems to get into trouble on Tuesdays. Minor characters remark on the high fatality rates of their high school sports teams. The school paper published obituaries. TV shows where what happens on screen is totally inconsistent with the universe in which it is situated are shows I turn off.I think it is a mistake to assume that our physics is the only possible system of physics capable of producing our tech. Anyway, I said I was going to retire from this thread so now I really will this time. Sorry to stomp off but I am feeling very repetitive. [/QUOTE]
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