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<blockquote data-quote="Khaalis" data-source="post: 4329020" data-attributes="member: 2167"><p>Thanks for the input everyone.</p><p></p><p>Keep in mind this is not an Olympic Fencer. It is 'meant' to be a hybrid defender / striker because we already have 2 pure strikers, and this is an exercise in creating a viable hybrid, since we know that WotC has already gone ahead and stated they Will be writing hybrids (Druid is #1 on the hybrid list). This class concept was meant to encompass two basic archetypes that are similar in style but different in function that could be combined into a single uniform hybrid class that made sense> The core concept was a lightly armored fighter that could be a hybrid defender and striker, thus the Swashbuckler (sword and shield) and Duelist (2-weapon). </p><p></p><p>Perhaps "Fencer" is the wrong name? The problem is that every "Name" ... unless it is a completely fictional nonsense word conjures up a different "image" for every person. We ran into this in the original thread that this spawned from when it was named a Swashbuckler and people didn't like it cause it didn't have the use of a shield (buckler) anywhere. </p><p></p><p>For a true, pure striker build, as was noted by Bialaska, Rogue and Ranger would be the preferred combination source, focusing on single weapon and dual-wield "fencing style" powers. Perhaps I'll take a crack at a pure striker variant as well, or perhaps add a third build and another set of powers to the class to allow it to open up to rogue-like DEX based attacks as well, but without the inherent "thief" aspect.</p><p></p><p>To Ruin: As for all-new At-Wills, I was specifically avoiding, for this exercise at least, not making new powers. Even those that appear "new" in the class are simply renamed existing powers from the Ranger or Fighter class with one simple change, usually removing a weapon type (such as Ranged), changing WIS to CHA on powers, or changing the bonus gained from specific weapons to the Fencer weapons.</p><p></p><p>Once I am more comfortable with the system from exercises like this, then I'll get into possibly developing all new powers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Khaalis, post: 4329020, member: 2167"] Thanks for the input everyone. Keep in mind this is not an Olympic Fencer. It is 'meant' to be a hybrid defender / striker because we already have 2 pure strikers, and this is an exercise in creating a viable hybrid, since we know that WotC has already gone ahead and stated they Will be writing hybrids (Druid is #1 on the hybrid list). This class concept was meant to encompass two basic archetypes that are similar in style but different in function that could be combined into a single uniform hybrid class that made sense> The core concept was a lightly armored fighter that could be a hybrid defender and striker, thus the Swashbuckler (sword and shield) and Duelist (2-weapon). Perhaps "Fencer" is the wrong name? The problem is that every "Name" ... unless it is a completely fictional nonsense word conjures up a different "image" for every person. We ran into this in the original thread that this spawned from when it was named a Swashbuckler and people didn't like it cause it didn't have the use of a shield (buckler) anywhere. For a true, pure striker build, as was noted by Bialaska, Rogue and Ranger would be the preferred combination source, focusing on single weapon and dual-wield "fencing style" powers. Perhaps I'll take a crack at a pure striker variant as well, or perhaps add a third build and another set of powers to the class to allow it to open up to rogue-like DEX based attacks as well, but without the inherent "thief" aspect. To Ruin: As for all-new At-Wills, I was specifically avoiding, for this exercise at least, not making new powers. Even those that appear "new" in the class are simply renamed existing powers from the Ranger or Fighter class with one simple change, usually removing a weapon type (such as Ranged), changing WIS to CHA on powers, or changing the bonus gained from specific weapons to the Fencer weapons. Once I am more comfortable with the system from exercises like this, then I'll get into possibly developing all new powers. [/QUOTE]
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