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<blockquote data-quote="RealAlHazred" data-source="post: 6748644" data-attributes="member: 25818"><p><strong>Originally posted by Madfox11:</strong></p><p></p><p>While I definitely share your opinion Keith that the celestial eladrin from 3e could and should be used in regards to the Spires, why would the eladrin be a different species?</p><p></p><p>Celestials in 3e evolve when they gain power either through personal actions or as the result of higher ranking members granting them a higher position (even for the chaotic good eladrin). Fey are beings of change and magic in Eberron (and most other settings). Why wouldn't something similar not happen here? After all, even in 4e higher level eladrin have names such as "courre of mischief" and "prince of winter", and while they look a bit more humanoid then their 3e celestial counterparts, that is easy to solve (in both directions).</p><p></p><p>Besides, I also always envisioned that what is learning or inborn talent is open for debate anyway. For example, my eladrin PC (a fighter/rogue/spy master) learned that he is actually the royal heir of the spire in the Mournland. While leveling I have been selecting feats, a paragon path and powers that are not even magical in nature but I explain as being part of my PC's fey nature that he is slowly discovering. It is not his spy master's power that allow him to let an enemy belief he is on their side for a short time in the middle of a fight, but his innate fey talent to befuddle the mind through charms. It is not his multi-class rogue feat that allow him to hide in normal concealment or use Stealth at full speed for 1 round/encounter, but his fey nature with illusions. Even his perfectly mundane talent in disguises will get a magical component. In the end he will have evolved into something like the Queen of Dust, and whether those powers were learned or innate is moot. Is he a fey lord with a close connection with trickery or is he a 30th level fighter/rogue/spy master/thief of legend with a feat, power and item selection that somehow highlights his magical nature? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Or am I simply misunderstanding what you wrote Keith and is this what you meant in the first place?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RealAlHazred, post: 6748644, member: 25818"] [b]Originally posted by Madfox11:[/b] While I definitely share your opinion Keith that the celestial eladrin from 3e could and should be used in regards to the Spires, why would the eladrin be a different species? Celestials in 3e evolve when they gain power either through personal actions or as the result of higher ranking members granting them a higher position (even for the chaotic good eladrin). Fey are beings of change and magic in Eberron (and most other settings). Why wouldn't something similar not happen here? After all, even in 4e higher level eladrin have names such as "courre of mischief" and "prince of winter", and while they look a bit more humanoid then their 3e celestial counterparts, that is easy to solve (in both directions). Besides, I also always envisioned that what is learning or inborn talent is open for debate anyway. For example, my eladrin PC (a fighter/rogue/spy master) learned that he is actually the royal heir of the spire in the Mournland. While leveling I have been selecting feats, a paragon path and powers that are not even magical in nature but I explain as being part of my PC's fey nature that he is slowly discovering. It is not his spy master's power that allow him to let an enemy belief he is on their side for a short time in the middle of a fight, but his innate fey talent to befuddle the mind through charms. It is not his multi-class rogue feat that allow him to hide in normal concealment or use Stealth at full speed for 1 round/encounter, but his fey nature with illusions. Even his perfectly mundane talent in disguises will get a magical component. In the end he will have evolved into something like the Queen of Dust, and whether those powers were learned or innate is moot. Is he a fey lord with a close connection with trickery or is he a 30th level fighter/rogue/spy master/thief of legend with a feat, power and item selection that somehow highlights his magical nature? ;) Or am I simply misunderstanding what you wrote Keith and is this what you meant in the first place? [/QUOTE]
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