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<blockquote data-quote="RealAlHazred" data-source="post: 6748646" data-attributes="member: 25818"><p><strong>Originally posted by Hellcow:</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Indeed. I was speaking purely in terms of mechanics, in terms of addressing the question of what 3.5 monster would represent the "commoner" eladrin. I certainly agree that mechanics can mean different things for different people; just looking to 3.5 Eberron races, the Changeling's racial bonuses are supposed to reflect a natural gift for telepathy, but we never bother to come out and say that; likewise, in 4E, I often consider the class abilities of dragonmarked characters to be reflections of their marks, so a Storm Sorcerer with the Mark of Storms is a Storm Sorcerer BECAUSE of the Mark. </p><p></p><p>It's similar to the fact that in theory, it is possible for a rakshasa to steal the power of an Overlord and take its place. My point is that if it did so, it would mechanically cease to be a rakshasa and become an Overlord. The Overlord possesses innate abilities that a rakshasa doesn't; it's not simply a rakshasa with class levels, it's a different creature. The same holds true for the lord of a feyspire; it possesses innate abilities that "normal" eladrin - whatever statistics you decide to give them - do not. </p><p></p><p>Player characters are a special case. Is it possible for your eladrin character to become something akin to a ghaele? Sure. But does that mean you will possess the exact same mechanical abilities as a ghaele? No. Your example of justifying class abilities because of unlocking the fey nature makes perfect sense... but I didn't see that as the question that was being asked.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RealAlHazred, post: 6748646, member: 25818"] [b]Originally posted by Hellcow:[/b] Indeed. I was speaking purely in terms of mechanics, in terms of addressing the question of what 3.5 monster would represent the "commoner" eladrin. I certainly agree that mechanics can mean different things for different people; just looking to 3.5 Eberron races, the Changeling's racial bonuses are supposed to reflect a natural gift for telepathy, but we never bother to come out and say that; likewise, in 4E, I often consider the class abilities of dragonmarked characters to be reflections of their marks, so a Storm Sorcerer with the Mark of Storms is a Storm Sorcerer BECAUSE of the Mark. It's similar to the fact that in theory, it is possible for a rakshasa to steal the power of an Overlord and take its place. My point is that if it did so, it would mechanically cease to be a rakshasa and become an Overlord. The Overlord possesses innate abilities that a rakshasa doesn't; it's not simply a rakshasa with class levels, it's a different creature. The same holds true for the lord of a feyspire; it possesses innate abilities that "normal" eladrin - whatever statistics you decide to give them - do not. Player characters are a special case. Is it possible for your eladrin character to become something akin to a ghaele? Sure. But does that mean you will possess the exact same mechanical abilities as a ghaele? No. Your example of justifying class abilities because of unlocking the fey nature makes perfect sense... but I didn't see that as the question that was being asked. [/QUOTE]
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