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<blockquote data-quote="GQuail" data-source="post: 3167255" data-attributes="member: 30709"><p>I won't deny that the advancement process of a creature merely makes its current powers more powerful than give it unique new ones (although the advancement rules in Fiendish Codex kind of touch upon this) but the insistence that making a monster weaker is equal to or easier than making it harder just does not compute to me, and implying that producting CR 30+ stats for demon lords that say "you can alter them if you want it easier" is in anyway comparable to CR 20 stats saying "you can advance them with HD or class level if you want them harder" doesn't seem paticularly realistic.</p><p></p><p>There is a pre-existing system for increasing monster power - 3E even had several ways of doing this, be it HD, class levels or templates. (Those who wish more powerful monsters could possibly look at giving them Divine Rank, whcih would also give them access to some funky powers.) People who wish to make things more powerful have options available to them; peopel who wish to make them <em>weaker</em> have no pre-existing options apart from a couple of pretty specific temples, IIRC. A monster provided at CR 30 would, as Psion said, simply not get used: one that's Cr 20 can be modded up so even the the ECL 70 party can still get something out of it.</p><p></p><p>Still, I'll concede that advanced monsters and a mosnter made at that CR can often vary greatly in the nature of their powers. One cannot just throw HD infinitely on a CR 3 monster and expect it will be an equal challange to an ECL 20 party as a out of the book CR 20 monster would be: and putting 5 levels of Cleric on Orcus or whatever does not really add a huge amount to his output. At epic level, the CR system rea;y does start to go a bit wobbly IMHO and you really do have to test out monsters more thouroughly to check their CR truly reflects their power. Just, unlike you, I think that should remain a task for the epic-level minority and material directly aimed at them, not the Fiendish Codexes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GQuail, post: 3167255, member: 30709"] I won't deny that the advancement process of a creature merely makes its current powers more powerful than give it unique new ones (although the advancement rules in Fiendish Codex kind of touch upon this) but the insistence that making a monster weaker is equal to or easier than making it harder just does not compute to me, and implying that producting CR 30+ stats for demon lords that say "you can alter them if you want it easier" is in anyway comparable to CR 20 stats saying "you can advance them with HD or class level if you want them harder" doesn't seem paticularly realistic. There is a pre-existing system for increasing monster power - 3E even had several ways of doing this, be it HD, class levels or templates. (Those who wish more powerful monsters could possibly look at giving them Divine Rank, whcih would also give them access to some funky powers.) People who wish to make things more powerful have options available to them; peopel who wish to make them [i]weaker[/i] have no pre-existing options apart from a couple of pretty specific temples, IIRC. A monster provided at CR 30 would, as Psion said, simply not get used: one that's Cr 20 can be modded up so even the the ECL 70 party can still get something out of it. Still, I'll concede that advanced monsters and a mosnter made at that CR can often vary greatly in the nature of their powers. One cannot just throw HD infinitely on a CR 3 monster and expect it will be an equal challange to an ECL 20 party as a out of the book CR 20 monster would be: and putting 5 levels of Cleric on Orcus or whatever does not really add a huge amount to his output. At epic level, the CR system rea;y does start to go a bit wobbly IMHO and you really do have to test out monsters more thouroughly to check their CR truly reflects their power. Just, unlike you, I think that should remain a task for the epic-level minority and material directly aimed at them, not the Fiendish Codexes. [/QUOTE]
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