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<blockquote data-quote="IanArgent" data-source="post: 4657314" data-attributes="member: 21673"><p>The majority of your previous post was about changing the existing weapon table, it appeared; I was suggesting you fork that part off.</p><p></p><p>My comment about Load Standard was mainly aimed at 3E's heavy crossbow taking either a full-round or a standard action (I don't have the books handy and I never used one when I was playing) to reload - though I apologize for implying that you had marked it as such. The application of Fun > Realism is that the crossbow is Load Minor - IE it doesn't impact the ability of the PC to move and fight.</p><p></p><p>Sling has been, in myth and history, the ranged weapon of the shepard boy.</p><p></p><p>Price of mundane weapons is mostly irrelevant above first level, and entirely irrelevant outside of the Heroic Tier - hence the advice in the DMG to allow a PC starting at higher level to start with as much mundane gear as they like.</p><p></p><p>Finally - I just don't see muzzle-loading firearms as being reloadable in a reasonable amount of time in combat; and if I did I would have indeed just reskinned the crossbow and bow. And to a certain extent I do expect PCs to either spend 2 minor (or a minor and free in the case of quickdraw) to change weapons or drop the firearm when sorely pressed. However, see how multitarget powers interact with weapons with load or draw actions (the time to draw/load is subsumed in the time to use the power).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="IanArgent, post: 4657314, member: 21673"] The majority of your previous post was about changing the existing weapon table, it appeared; I was suggesting you fork that part off. My comment about Load Standard was mainly aimed at 3E's heavy crossbow taking either a full-round or a standard action (I don't have the books handy and I never used one when I was playing) to reload - though I apologize for implying that you had marked it as such. The application of Fun > Realism is that the crossbow is Load Minor - IE it doesn't impact the ability of the PC to move and fight. Sling has been, in myth and history, the ranged weapon of the shepard boy. Price of mundane weapons is mostly irrelevant above first level, and entirely irrelevant outside of the Heroic Tier - hence the advice in the DMG to allow a PC starting at higher level to start with as much mundane gear as they like. Finally - I just don't see muzzle-loading firearms as being reloadable in a reasonable amount of time in combat; and if I did I would have indeed just reskinned the crossbow and bow. And to a certain extent I do expect PCs to either spend 2 minor (or a minor and free in the case of quickdraw) to change weapons or drop the firearm when sorely pressed. However, see how multitarget powers interact with weapons with load or draw actions (the time to draw/load is subsumed in the time to use the power). [/QUOTE]
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