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<blockquote data-quote="Water Bob" data-source="post: 5523324" data-attributes="member: 92305"><p>Yes. He thinks it's just a plain bad rule that makes no sense to him. If his character is aware of a possible threat, he doesn't find it logical or realistic that his character has even a chance of being easier to hit than normal.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I've considered that. But, I'm afraid I'd invoke the rule of unintended consequences if I did.</p><p> </p><p>The d20 game is a complex system. Tweaking or removing one part could casue problems down the road.</p><p> </p><p>Flat-footed is ingrained all over the game. Rogues thrive on flatfooted targets. There's Feats and special abilities and conditions that all deal with being flatfooted.</p><p> </p><p>If I remove the nish flat-footed part, it will only bring up the same argument with another circumstance in the game where Flatfooted is addressed.</p><p> </p><p>And, those that have Feats or special abilities that allow them to use dodge or parry while flatfooted have their advantage removed if the rule is removed from initiative.</p><p> </p><p>Not going with Flat-Footed as written can cause all sorts of unforseen problems.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>He's logical but probably too-much single-minded. Once he decides on something, it's THE LAW, and everybody else is wrong unless a nuclear blast wakes him up and shows him the other side of the issue.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>He would agree with you, then ask why, then, are combatants who are totally aware of each other, penalized on the first round of the fight?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>This is actually a good explaination. I may use that with him. Thanks for illuminating it for me.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Thanks. Your real life experience supports what Empirate said above. I'm going to throw this at my player an try to see what sticks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Water Bob, post: 5523324, member: 92305"] Yes. He thinks it's just a plain bad rule that makes no sense to him. If his character is aware of a possible threat, he doesn't find it logical or realistic that his character has even a chance of being easier to hit than normal. I've considered that. But, I'm afraid I'd invoke the rule of unintended consequences if I did. The d20 game is a complex system. Tweaking or removing one part could casue problems down the road. Flat-footed is ingrained all over the game. Rogues thrive on flatfooted targets. There's Feats and special abilities and conditions that all deal with being flatfooted. If I remove the nish flat-footed part, it will only bring up the same argument with another circumstance in the game where Flatfooted is addressed. And, those that have Feats or special abilities that allow them to use dodge or parry while flatfooted have their advantage removed if the rule is removed from initiative. Not going with Flat-Footed as written can cause all sorts of unforseen problems. He's logical but probably too-much single-minded. Once he decides on something, it's THE LAW, and everybody else is wrong unless a nuclear blast wakes him up and shows him the other side of the issue. He would agree with you, then ask why, then, are combatants who are totally aware of each other, penalized on the first round of the fight? This is actually a good explaination. I may use that with him. Thanks for illuminating it for me. Thanks. Your real life experience supports what Empirate said above. I'm going to throw this at my player an try to see what sticks. [/QUOTE]
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