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[Forgotten Realms] The Wall of the Faithless
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<blockquote data-quote="squibbles" data-source="post: 7516356" data-attributes="member: 6937590"><p>Respectfully, I think this point of view is a failure of imagination.</p><p></p><p>Moral propositions in the forgotten realms-verse come from the gods, and the gods exist because they have worshipers (since the time of troubles anyway). The reason why the paradise for people who worship Torm is peaceful, orderly, and perfectly beautiful, whereas the paradise for people who worship Odin is a realm of elemental chaos and violent personal heroism, is that those places are physical manifestations of the principles to which those gods and their worshipers assign moral value.</p><p></p><p>The strange thing in my mind is that any people in the forgotten realms would actually end up in the wall of the faithless.</p><p></p><p><em>Faith</em> is a weird word to use for it. The gods clearly exist and, not only do they exist, they actually respond to intercessory prayer. Think about it, if you believed in the moral worth of violent personal heroism, why the heck wouldn't you worship Odin? I think a forgotten realms character who learned about the wall of the faithless would be puzzled, not morally indignant. After all, how could someone fail to worship a god? It's easy, it's potentially rewarding, and it has no appreciable cost.</p><p></p><p>In any case, if the principal concern is a PCs religious convictions, I'd suggest you simply handwave it, i.e. "my PC prays to a minor god that represents his/her beliefs," and ignore it for the rest of the game.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Exactly right. Atheism follows from logical arguments based on observations of our reality. In a different reality with different observations, like gods that regularly murder people with lightning bolts, Atheism becomes a rather silly point of view.</p><p></p><p>A character being against the whole system of gods and outer planes strikes me as weird as well. Consider: If given a choice between knowing that your prayers would land you in your preferred afterlife--and that everyone else gets the same deal--or having no idea what happens to you after you die (potentially you just cease to exist), why would you prefer the latter? Would you advocate the latter to the extent that you risked being killed with lightning bolts and having your soul imprisoned in a torture wall for all eternity?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="squibbles, post: 7516356, member: 6937590"] Respectfully, I think this point of view is a failure of imagination. Moral propositions in the forgotten realms-verse come from the gods, and the gods exist because they have worshipers (since the time of troubles anyway). The reason why the paradise for people who worship Torm is peaceful, orderly, and perfectly beautiful, whereas the paradise for people who worship Odin is a realm of elemental chaos and violent personal heroism, is that those places are physical manifestations of the principles to which those gods and their worshipers assign moral value. The strange thing in my mind is that any people in the forgotten realms would actually end up in the wall of the faithless. [I]Faith[/I] is a weird word to use for it. The gods clearly exist and, not only do they exist, they actually respond to intercessory prayer. Think about it, if you believed in the moral worth of violent personal heroism, why the heck wouldn't you worship Odin? I think a forgotten realms character who learned about the wall of the faithless would be puzzled, not morally indignant. After all, how could someone fail to worship a god? It's easy, it's potentially rewarding, and it has no appreciable cost. In any case, if the principal concern is a PCs religious convictions, I'd suggest you simply handwave it, i.e. "my PC prays to a minor god that represents his/her beliefs," and ignore it for the rest of the game. Exactly right. Atheism follows from logical arguments based on observations of our reality. In a different reality with different observations, like gods that regularly murder people with lightning bolts, Atheism becomes a rather silly point of view. A character being against the whole system of gods and outer planes strikes me as weird as well. Consider: If given a choice between knowing that your prayers would land you in your preferred afterlife--and that everyone else gets the same deal--or having no idea what happens to you after you die (potentially you just cease to exist), why would you prefer the latter? Would you advocate the latter to the extent that you risked being killed with lightning bolts and having your soul imprisoned in a torture wall for all eternity? [/QUOTE]
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