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<blockquote data-quote="waxbanks" data-source="post: 5028071" data-attributes="member: 72237"><p><strong>not gorillas but elephants...</strong></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Red">Mod Edit: If you'd like to get a week long ban from ENWorld then posting a post like this right below a moderator warning to keep things civil and on topic is a great way to do it.</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I understand the combination of defensiveness and pride that *PaizoCEO* displays, and it's swell that they're doing swell, but the biggest difference between Paizo and WOTC is that no one has ever heard of Paizo or any of their products, and everyone has heard of D&D.</p><p></p><p>Just trying to make the point here that thinking about Paizo and WOTC in terms of business 'competition' is a little silly; Paizo makes specialty products in a specialty field, WOTC makes mass-market products (in that same field) which land on the nonfiction(!) bestseller lists. <em>The difference is not size.</em></p><p></p><p>Businesswise, Paizo doesn't really have the capacity to find or make new audiences; their flagship product, remember, is a <u>$50 textbook reworking a WOTC game.</u> They consciously ride WOTC's coattails. Ken Hite said of the PFRPG launch, 'Wizards is building a band, Paizo is building a religion.' That's lovely and admirable in its way. But the Big Inflexible Corporation put out a radical reworking of its flagship product in 2008, while in 2009 the '400 lb. gorilla' put out a gorgeous, lovingly-detailed product designed to closely resemble the Old News.</p><p></p><p>If you can make a living at that, then your nonexistent deity of choice has blessed you. So do I!</p><p></p><p>But as has been pointed out upthread, no one makes the decision between an awesome new X-Box game and a copy of <em>Mouse Guard RPG</em> - or <em>Pathfinder</em> - while someone <em>might</em> decide between video games and D&D. Every RPG except D&D 'competes' against other RPGs. D&D is the hobby's face, and therefore competes for cold cash, <em>on behalf of the entire hobby</em>, with things other than roleplaying games.</p><p></p><p>Comparing business decisions by each company means taking that stuff into account. Since this is a fan board about gaming, such comparisons aren't likely to be super-duper fruitful here (if anywhere).</p><p></p><p>And that's my grousing for the day. Carry on, (mostly) gents.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="waxbanks, post: 5028071, member: 72237"] [b]not gorillas but elephants...[/b] [COLOR="Red"]Mod Edit: If you'd like to get a week long ban from ENWorld then posting a post like this right below a moderator warning to keep things civil and on topic is a great way to do it.[/COLOR] I understand the combination of defensiveness and pride that *PaizoCEO* displays, and it's swell that they're doing swell, but the biggest difference between Paizo and WOTC is that no one has ever heard of Paizo or any of their products, and everyone has heard of D&D. Just trying to make the point here that thinking about Paizo and WOTC in terms of business 'competition' is a little silly; Paizo makes specialty products in a specialty field, WOTC makes mass-market products (in that same field) which land on the nonfiction(!) bestseller lists. [I]The difference is not size.[/I] Businesswise, Paizo doesn't really have the capacity to find or make new audiences; their flagship product, remember, is a [U]$50 textbook reworking a WOTC game.[/U] They consciously ride WOTC's coattails. Ken Hite said of the PFRPG launch, 'Wizards is building a band, Paizo is building a religion.' That's lovely and admirable in its way. But the Big Inflexible Corporation put out a radical reworking of its flagship product in 2008, while in 2009 the '400 lb. gorilla' put out a gorgeous, lovingly-detailed product designed to closely resemble the Old News. If you can make a living at that, then your nonexistent deity of choice has blessed you. So do I! But as has been pointed out upthread, no one makes the decision between an awesome new X-Box game and a copy of [I]Mouse Guard RPG[/I] - or [I]Pathfinder[/I] - while someone [I]might[/I] decide between video games and D&D. Every RPG except D&D 'competes' against other RPGs. D&D is the hobby's face, and therefore competes for cold cash, [I]on behalf of the entire hobby[/I], with things other than roleplaying games. Comparing business decisions by each company means taking that stuff into account. Since this is a fan board about gaming, such comparisons aren't likely to be super-duper fruitful here (if anywhere). And that's my grousing for the day. Carry on, (mostly) gents. [/QUOTE]
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