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<blockquote data-quote="Ruslanchik" data-source="post: 4352738" data-attributes="member: 45251"><p>So the basic rationalization for the appearance of these terms is that "I've never <em>heard</em> anyone use them." I don't see how this little fact matters at all. These terms are right there in the books. Every class is given a role as is every monster. The terms Leader, Controller, etc. are completely different from things like tank, blaster, toon, etc. The first are words that are a part of the game and have an impact on the rules and, more importantly, the aesthetics of 4E. The second are words that people use as shorthand and have never been built into the system. If you don't like someone calling their character a toon, ask them to say PC or whatever. If you don't like the role names you can stop reading the books because that's where they are found. It really doesn't matter whether or not people say them because the terms were put there by the designers to be a part of the game. The only things that can remove them are a lot of black magic marker or a major revision.</p><p></p><p>This whole conversation points to one of the biggest issues people have with 4E: the aesthetics. It just feels different, in a bad way. The designers have gone so far out of their way to make the system balanced and "systematic" that they have forced out a lot of the nuance. The great thing about 1E is that it feels organic--every class is very different and the monsters are really unique. These differences cannot be reduced to a mathematical value or to a list of powers. </p><p></p><p>Let me just say that I'm sure 4E is a lot of fun and that there are people who really enjoy the changes. That is fine and is your prerogative. I just don't like the feel and look of it. </p><p></p><p>/rant</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruslanchik, post: 4352738, member: 45251"] So the basic rationalization for the appearance of these terms is that "I've never [I]heard[/I] anyone use them." I don't see how this little fact matters at all. These terms are right there in the books. Every class is given a role as is every monster. The terms Leader, Controller, etc. are completely different from things like tank, blaster, toon, etc. The first are words that are a part of the game and have an impact on the rules and, more importantly, the aesthetics of 4E. The second are words that people use as shorthand and have never been built into the system. If you don't like someone calling their character a toon, ask them to say PC or whatever. If you don't like the role names you can stop reading the books because that's where they are found. It really doesn't matter whether or not people say them because the terms were put there by the designers to be a part of the game. The only things that can remove them are a lot of black magic marker or a major revision. This whole conversation points to one of the biggest issues people have with 4E: the aesthetics. It just feels different, in a bad way. The designers have gone so far out of their way to make the system balanced and "systematic" that they have forced out a lot of the nuance. The great thing about 1E is that it feels organic--every class is very different and the monsters are really unique. These differences cannot be reduced to a mathematical value or to a list of powers. Let me just say that I'm sure 4E is a lot of fun and that there are people who really enjoy the changes. That is fine and is your prerogative. I just don't like the feel and look of it. /rant [/QUOTE]
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