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<blockquote data-quote="Mallus" data-source="post: 4748374" data-attributes="member: 3887"><p>As for 1), I'm not sure the game was any easier to get into back in the early days, if only for the fact RPG's represented an entirely new <em>kind</em> of (board? board-less) game, whereas nowadays the basic conceit of "your playing piece is an imaginary person" is thoroughly a part of mainstream culture.</p><p></p><p>As for 3)... when, precisely, was not D&D not associated w/geek culture? I'm recently 40, and that's the most true <em>now</em>, after decades of mainstreaming of traditional geek-y pursuits. </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Please, feel free to speak for as many people other than yourself as possible. </p><p> </p><p></p><p>First off, you can play the newer editions of D&D a wide variety of ways. Spend some time reading the Story Hour section of ENWorld and you'll find ample proof of that. </p><p></p><p>Second the earlier versions of D&D where chock-full of adolescent high fantasy. They were the poster children for it. Jello monsters, trips to Wonderland (complete with enamel-grinding puns), crashed spaceships... yes, you can play 1e in a serious vein, but a great deal of the published support material suggested a vastly different mode of play. </p><p></p><p>Third, there's always going to be something <em>adolescent</em> in fantasy adventure stories. There's no shame in that. That what appealed to the boy could still appeal to the man... I don't see the need to put away <u>The Lord of the Rings</u> in favor of <u>In Search of Lost Time</u> because I am now of a certain age. I can have <em>both</em> (can't I?).</p><p></p><p></p><p>Normal people like you, presumably. Normal people like me and my social circle find it quite accessible.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You think? I've been in quite a few bars that I wouldn't want to base my general opinion of drinking on. </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Can you pack any more condescension into that sentence? It's interesting to plumb the limits of language. </p><p></p><p></p><p>You also might find that fewer people than you suppose enjoy pretending to be an elf or Conan, and there's no shame in that, either.</p><p></p><p>Ignoring your core audience is never a good idea. You aren't going to make opera more popular by making it more like pop music (Have you ever been an event with opera geeks? You think gamers and F/SF nerds are bad...). Sometimes you have to accept you're a niche product and that's that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mallus, post: 4748374, member: 3887"] As for 1), I'm not sure the game was any easier to get into back in the early days, if only for the fact RPG's represented an entirely new [i]kind[/i] of (board? board-less) game, whereas nowadays the basic conceit of "your playing piece is an imaginary person" is thoroughly a part of mainstream culture. As for 3)... when, precisely, was not D&D not associated w/geek culture? I'm recently 40, and that's the most true [i]now[/i], after decades of mainstreaming of traditional geek-y pursuits. Please, feel free to speak for as many people other than yourself as possible. First off, you can play the newer editions of D&D a wide variety of ways. Spend some time reading the Story Hour section of ENWorld and you'll find ample proof of that. Second the earlier versions of D&D where chock-full of adolescent high fantasy. They were the poster children for it. Jello monsters, trips to Wonderland (complete with enamel-grinding puns), crashed spaceships... yes, you can play 1e in a serious vein, but a great deal of the published support material suggested a vastly different mode of play. Third, there's always going to be something [i]adolescent[/i] in fantasy adventure stories. There's no shame in that. That what appealed to the boy could still appeal to the man... I don't see the need to put away [u]The Lord of the Rings[/u] in favor of [u]In Search of Lost Time[/u] because I am now of a certain age. I can have [i]both[/i] (can't I?). Normal people like you, presumably. Normal people like me and my social circle find it quite accessible. You think? I've been in quite a few bars that I wouldn't want to base my general opinion of drinking on. Can you pack any more condescension into that sentence? It's interesting to plumb the limits of language. You also might find that fewer people than you suppose enjoy pretending to be an elf or Conan, and there's no shame in that, either. Ignoring your core audience is never a good idea. You aren't going to make opera more popular by making it more like pop music (Have you ever been an event with opera geeks? You think gamers and F/SF nerds are bad...). Sometimes you have to accept you're a niche product and that's that. [/QUOTE]
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